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[The Jackal Guards] - Chapter 4 (Beta Reader Test)

2020.10.15 10:45 PointMan97 [The Jackal Guards] - Chapter 4 (Beta Reader Test)

Chapter 4: First to Fight

Brazzaville, Republic of the Congo
June 1st, 2025, 03:15 Hours
Belisarius sat inside the cargo bay of the A400M with his fellow robots, about 116 of them including himself. He looked out of the window to see the starry sky and misty cloud outside. The plane was approaching the airport of Brazzaville at low altitude for landing, each of the robots sat on their chairs on each side of the plane as it came in for landing. “Anubis, what’s our plan when we’re on the ground? Beside meeting the Gaulois and German forces that are supporting us.” Belisarius curiously questioned Anubis who sat next to him.
“We’ll be part of their offensive into the Congo to shake things up for Oriental Security. The situation on the ground is chaotic. I’m afraid.” Anubis replied before Belisarius heard a deafening artillery howl and detonation nearby. He cringed at first as the blast of the shell vibrated upwards, affecting the A400Ms that were coming down to Brazzaville’s airport. “I think I get the point, further briefing once we’re on the ground?” Belisarius asked before looking out of the plane’s porthole to the sight of a burning and smoking Brazzaville. “Exactly, once we got the situation under control, you’ll continue your hunt, and I’ll sort out the arrangements.” Anubis sighed as he looked out the porthole at the Chinese shelling of Brazzaville.
“Affirmative, sir, I’ll get it done. Any backups just in case the fight turns grossly against our favors?” Belisarius asked cautiously, to which Anubis looked over to the neighboring city of Brazzaville just on the other side of the Congo River. “We do, the Germans have already placed a brigade of their Panzergrenadiers on the ground with the French Foreign Legion 2nd REP.” The mere mention of the word Legion got Belisarius ears to perk up his eyes and seemed peaked with interests as to what this might mean. “Legion? I never thought the idea of Roman Legion would survive to this day.” Belisarius bluntly remarked.
As the plane landed on the runway, they felt the wheels skidding and slight turbulence vibrating through the fuselage before finally coming to a halt as the first A400M was on the ground before taxiing into the nearby parking lot. Its cargo ramp dropped down, and before the robots disembarked in droves, they already heard the howling howitzers shells and the tremors from the impacts. The robots quickly sprinted out with their equipment in hands, rucksacks, and magnetically attached backpacks shuffled along with their movements. Buildings around them were still standing, somewhere struck by shelling that left a permanent scar. Any structures taller than two-story were almost certain to lose at least half of their form.
They were using HK416A5s assault rifles with HK417A2s battle rifles for the most part. Some of them were carrying HK MG5 to provide suppressive fire on enemy targets behind hardened covers, while others were carrying the M27IAR as the fireteam’s Automatic Rifleman. In addition to those, some of the bots were carrying Carl Gustaf M3 Recoilless Rifles as the anti armor specialists of their respective units.
The robots ran a system diagnostic of their tactical and strategic internet system, at a fireteam level they had the PAN (Personal Area Network) wherein a handful of robots nearby can instantly exchange data at an instant. From a squad to platoon level, they had a specialist carrying a magnetically strapped backpack for modem and LAN equipment.
At the Company to Battalion level and above, the same specialist would carry a similar backpack but with a parabolic antenna link with satellite systems in geosynchronous orbit. Together these formed their ARGOS (Augmented Reality Ground Operations System), the pinnacle of digital military information systems. Most of the robot wolves made their ways to the riverbanks of Brazzaville with their mortars and machine gun teams. There, they set up a base of fires and defilade positions while mortar crews rain precision fire on Chinese defenders by the docks of Kinshasa.
Belisarius double-timed with Anubis towards a jeep and boarded it. Other robots were either busy disembarking from their planes or assisting human evacuations from the city. In the chaos of the moment, the French Foreign Legionnaire who drove the jeep for Anubis and Belisarius kept his eyes on the road. No time for pleasantries, let alone introduction even when he was the chauffeur for a being beyond his wildest imaginations.
"Back in 2023, Europa began their Second Rush to Africa. They aim to overthrow pro-China satellite states in the region and reform the long corrupt regimes of the continent to a more, shall we say, stable and open democracy. Spearheading this is France, one of the most significant colonial owners of the region in the last century." Said Anubis as they passed through the streets of Brazzaville.
Belisarius listened to Anubis while looking around him, seeing the sight of civilians battered by shells, surviving infants and toddlers crying incessantly at their dead parents, half-buried under the rubbles, their cries attracted relief aid workers coming to their rescue. "Our job is to help open the path into Congo, start by taking Kinshasa. That's where you come in." Anubis spoke in a steady tone as they arrived at the Ile M'Bamou, a massive island in the middle of the Congo River where the French Foreign Legion and German Panzergrenadiers were busy with building pontoon bridges to ford across the river to assault Kinshasa's N'djili International Airport.
As they were coming close to the construction site of the pontoon bridge, mortar bombardments began to intensify with the loud bang and booms of mortar shells hitting the dirt, kicking up debris and soil into the air. Occasionally, a human flew into the air with their limbs decapitated. The worst cases were the complete obliteration of their bodies, leaving nothing to identify. One such shell exploded next to the PVP armored car, knocking them over instantly. The shock of the blast left Belisarius dazed along with Anubis. The driver was unconscious, with his arms resting on the wheel and window of the PVP.
Belisarius grunted as his thigh compartment switched open. He reached his hand in and grabbed the hilt of the Gladius saber. Acting quickly and decisively, Belisarius slashed off the seatbelts that were holding him back. He then cut the belts for Anubis and the driver, allowing the Jackal to escape. "Thanks, old friend. I'll take the driver to the treeline, you get to the pontoon bridge and help them." Anubis grabbed the knocked out driver by his wrist and pulled him out of his car seat. The Jackal jumped out of the vehicle, Belisarius followed suit and sprinted towards the pontoon bridge under the unremitting mortar barrage.
Shells howled through the sky, tearing down trees and digging up soils, forcing soldiers and civilians to run for cover, hiding underground, in foxholes, or just under a treeline. As Belisarius came to the Pontoon Bridge construction site, he saw the German Pioneers and French Army Engineers were busy with bridge layer vehicles to set down a proper bridge on the Congo River. The troops there were shelled incessantly by the Chinese on the other side of the rivers.
"Who's in command here?" Belisarius instinctively asked one of the German Panzergrenadiers there. The Efreitor hastily pointed Belisarius to an observation post sitting on an elevated position of the isle. "Es ist Kapitän Kleinenberg! Er ist im Beobachtungsposten versuchen, für Gegenbatterie zu rufen. Wer bist du?" The Efreitor asked confusedly looking, at the seven feet tall Belisarius.
The translation software in Belisarius quickly provided the wolf with a rough translation of the Bundeswehr saying. His voice then received a synthesized version to communicate with the soldier in German, albeit lacking a distinctive dialect or accent. "Your reinforcement." He uttered tersely before sprinting up the hill towards the Observation Post much to the shock of the combined Panzergrenadiers and French Foreign Legionnaires. The robot werewolf opened the door and entered the OP before crouching down to avoid being sniped by a Chinese marksman or trained sniper. "Are you Captain Kleinenberg? I'm told you could use a hand." Said the wolf who caught the captain and his aides off-guard.
"Who the hell are you? And who permitted you to participate in this operation?" Captain Kleinenberg asked confusedly to Belisarius as he cringed under the shock and pressure of sustained mortar bombardment. "Introductions are for later. What do you need help with right now?" Belisarius insisted to the Captain, who then relented as he felt the barrage pressuring on his head. "I need some sharpshooters to take out those fucking mortar crews. They live, the bridge collapses. Get me?" The Captain ordered Belisarius, who nodded in acknowledgment, "I don't care how many, only where." He replied tersely, impressing the Captain with his can-do and no-nonsense attitude. "Alright, our scouts reported the mortars are firing from the marshes next to the airport."
Taking a moment to study the map, Belisarius saw that he could expect tree lines obstructing his views and dispersed mortar positions hiding in the shrubs. Perhaps some snipers to spot targets as well. "I need a weapon," Belisarius stated, prompting a Lieutenant to guide him out to the weapon rack. "Right this way." The Lieutenant gave Belisarius an MSG-90A2 sniper rifle with a bipod. "We're a bit short on ammo here. Radio jamming is making it difficult for us to get resupplied in time. Hopefully, our runner isn't dead before delivering his message." Said the Lieutenant as he handed Belisarius some spare magazines for his MSG-90 rifle. The robot wolf took the magazines and a plate carrier vest to carry the ammo.
"What's your name?" Belisarius asked the Lieutenant before following him out to the battlefield. "Anton, Leutnant Anton Gruber. Whatever you do out there, do it fast. We need the bridge consolidated before the tides pick up." Anton spoke urgently to Belisarius, prompting him to nod before sprinting out and took up a position near a French Foreign Legion's Pioneer foxhole. He laid down on his stomach and scanned the opposite bank with the MSG's scope.
He spotted the first mortar crew wearing camouflage from top to bottom with their weapon lobbing shells over the water. The robot wolf aimed down sight and began to calculate variables such as distance, gravity, rotation of the Earth, and so on. He fired once the calculation concluded, with the bullet landed on the mortar shell's wooden crate. The following detonation killed the entire mortar crew and their weapon.
Belisarius quickly switched on his thermal vision and aimed down the MSG's scope. He scanned the riverbank and opened fire on the enemy mortar crews and snipers. One by one, the Chinese dropped like flies before they began to fall back under a hail of automatic lead from NATO forces. "They are retreating. The bridge is safe now, time to move across and take the airport." The Lieutenant declared eagerly as the French Foreign Legion began to cross the pontoon bridge with German Leopard 2A7+ tanks to support them. Belisarius accompanied the Legionnaire as their shock trooper. He received a FAMAS FELIN rifle with fourteen magazines from one of the Legionnaire.
His curiosity grew as he held the bullpup assault rifle in his hand. The robot wolf managed to identify the cocking handle on the top side of the FAMAS and pulled the bolt down to check his ammo. His HUD ran a scan of the weapon and fed him information on its effective range, rate of fire, ammo capacity, fire modes. Once he had digested the technical performance and instructions, he cocked his head aside and began to head out with the humans. "Sledgehammer here, we have eyes on an enemy short-range SAM system. Engaging now." The Leopard 2A7+ Commander reported on the coms network. The crew loaded the 120mm Rheinmetal's L44 gun with a SABOT round as the main gun aimed at the HQ-12 missile truck.
With a booming thump sound, the gun muzzle breathed out a gust of flame, and the SABOT round flew towards the missile truck, and the vehicle exploded into a flaming wreck. However, the victory was short-lived, for the defending Chinese troops began to retaliate with machine-gun fire at the assaulting troops, and ATGMs flew towards the Leopard tank. "Leopard Zwei under attack! Request immediate assistant, over!" The commander called over the coms as the French Legionnaire took up firing positions and assaulted the ATGM nests.
"Lieutenant Gruber, where is the enemy jammer?" Belisarius asked while propped up against a tree. "About two 500 meters from where we are, the Chinese set up their jammers near the airport to mess with our coms." Hearing this while under a hail of enemy machine gun fires and the constant pressure of their automatic grenade launcher made Belisarius cagey.
The sooner they got rid of that jammer, the sooner they can call in Artillery from German howitzers. "Alright, Lt. Gruber, I'll destroy the jammer, and you call in artillery on the enemy position. Understood?" With only a single nod from Gruber, Belisarius sprinted away towards the edge of the airport. His robot wolf mobility and the digitigrade legs made his rapid advance incredibly fast, passing through the thick foliage and treelines. The Chinese were left bewildered by the lighting movement. He came barreling through the treelines and fell into a Chinese trench with his foot planted into one of their faces. His feet generated crunching sounds as they crushed a Chinese skull. Belisarius swiveled his body over to spray on the Chinese manning the HJ missile system.
As the Chinese defending that particular trench died a brutal and swift death, Belisarius grabbed their ATGM system and rotated around to aim at the Oriental Security operated Type-90 APC. The wolf fired the missile while keeping the weapon sight fixed firmly on the vehicle to guide the ATGM. The result was a violent penetration of the vehicle's hull and concluded with a fiery fireball with the crew screaming inside their steel coffin.
"Did you take out an enemy APC with their ATGM?" Gruber asked excitedly over their coms. However, the message came through garbled by the jammer. "Say again, Gruber. I can't hear you." Belisarius asked as he moved forward ahead of the others. The French Foreign Legionnaire followed up with their VABs and VBLs supporting the assault.
The Leopard 2A7 tank had another HJ-12 missile flown at it. This one came close only to be swatted down by the vehicle's APS system intercepting it. The French Foreign Legionnaire reacted quickly and opened fire furiously at the hiding position of the AT crew. M2 machine guns opened fire furiously to suppress the AT crew while the main gun fired an HE shell that blew away the vegetation of the riverbank.
As Belisarius led the assault further towards the airport, the vegetation gave way to a clear sightline of the airport's runway filled with J-11B jets with PLAAF markings. But what concerned Belisarius the most was the lack of cover from where he was towards the Jammer near the tarmac building.
As the Leopard 2 tank crept up to the edge of the forestry with the French Foreign Legionnaire following to support it, Lt. Gruber came up behind Belisarius, looking exhausted by the constant stress and running from before. "Hey, you have a way with charging ahead, don't you? Anyway, you got eyes on that enemy jammer?" Gruber asked while looking through his binoculars at the Chinese made Electronic Jammer. "I do. Resistance is light so far, but that doesn't seem right." Belisarius remarked as he laid down on his stomach, scanning the runway ahead of him. "Nein, they're moving reinforcements in to knock us back. We must take the tarmac. I can call in artillery support from there."
"Well, consider it done. I'll clear the way for you. Just rain fire at first sight of the enemy." Belisarius replied and stood up. The Legionnaire formed up behind him with additional troops moving in to back them up. These being German Panzergrenadiers with their Puma IFVs. The Chinese defending the airport ran behind their sandbags and barricades to set up firing positions. With machine guns and grenade launchers, they waited patiently for the NATO assault to inevitably come at them. Belisarius came over to the Leopard 2 and climbed aboard it to get the commander's attention. "Don't waste your shot on infantry. Aim for the jammer first. Leave the infantry to me." Belisarius instructed the commander, who acknowledged the coordination and relayed the instruction to his crew.
Sledgehammer's loader put an APFSDS round into the chamber. The gunner trained his sight on the mobile jammer array, and the commander permitted them to fire. The shell flew out of the 120mm main gun and slammed into the PLA's jammer array. The Electronic Jammer violently erupted into flame and burned down. Panicked, the Oriental Security troops were scrambling to douse the fire before it spread to the J-11s.
The defenders on impulse fired desperately at the attackers behind the treelines, cutting down branches, twigs. Some bullets ricochet and hit the French Foreign Legionnaire, either killing or wounding them. Gruber, on instinct, ducked down and held his helmet with both hands, groaning and gritting his teeth under the machine gunfire.
At the very least, communication for NATO troops had become much less arduous. Belisarius quickly called Anubis on their cyber coms to get a situation report. "Sir, we've destroyed the enemy's Jammer. Assault at the airport is on-going. What support do you have for us?" Anubis, on the other end of the line, quickly responded to the report with great urgency in his tone.
"Belisarius! The Chinese are sending reinforcements towards the airport. I'm sending the 108th to assist you now, but they need time to get across the Congo River. ETA: 10 minutes." He knew that it was too easy for their initial assault. Why didn't the Chinese scramble their J-11s jet remained unknown, but he could infer one possible reason being to avoid escalation. Even then, it was a rather flimsy excuse, even on the Chinese part.
Being the ever punctual robot, Belisarius quickly took potshots at the Chinese machine gunners. Before the MG crew could resume fire, he fired some more accurate shots at their heads, knocking them down one by one while the Foreign Legionnaire crept up. They opened fire at the Chinese defenders of the Airport and made flanking maneuvers with support from German Puma IFVs laying down suppressive fire. Belisarius sprinted with one such squad, making a beeline towards the tarmac and gunning down the defenders effortlessly. Lt. Gruber quickly ran up the tarmac with his spotter team before eventually arriving at the top to set up an OP.
"Hammer, this is Muninn. We have eyes on a large concentration of enemy armored forces situated on the clearing to the south of the airport. Request immediate Anti-Armor barrage on my coordinates over." Gruber urgently called on the PzH2000s while peering through his binoculars to the sight of the incoming enemy armor. As they watched Chinese Type-96 tanks rolling towards them with various APCs support, Gruber felt like he was about to be run over by armored treads.
Belisarius, on the ground with other French Foreign Legionnaires, was digging into fighting positions. They parked their tanks and IFVs by the choke points into the airport's runway. "Verstanden Muninn, feuern Sie dichtes Artilleriefeuer auf Ihre Zielkoordinaten ab." Gruber then transmitted the coordinates to the crew using a stylus pen on a command tablet he had with a few taps and swipes.
Once the crew received their target coordinates, they fired off barrages of 155mm guided Anti Armor rounds at the incoming Type-96 tanks. The artillery roared a thunderous bellow, with their shells soaring through the sky, tearing through clouds like Thor's Mjolnir hammer. They soon came down on the Type-96 tanks and knocked out a large portion of the Chinese tank platoon, sending turrets flying into the air like Lego pieces. Vehicle components smashed to smithereens. The following APCs met the same fate, with the Leopard 2s scoring direct hits upon direct hits. Some of the Leopard 2s even scored a double kill with their shells penetrating through multiple APCs that happened to line up.
“Muninn, das ist Hammer. Können wir eine KBE?” The artillery crew asked the now much more invigorated Lt. Gruber as he watched the artillery shells raining death and destruction on the Chinese tank formations. "Hammer, das ist Muninn. Feindliche Panzer nahmen schwere Verluste, mehr Fahrzeuge zerstört." Additional infantry struggled to wade forward, only to curl up in a fetal position under the constant barrage. Others tossed up smoke grenades to cover themselves, then pushed forward under the cover, only for them to be cut down by machine gunfire. The dug in, Panzergrenadiers, and French Foreign Legion had the benefits of thermal optics to pierce through the thick smokescreen and dust clouds kicked up by the artillery shells.
Even Belisarius could do little other than to pick off enemy stragglers as they came close to his position. The French Foreign Legionnaire and German Panzergrenadiers around him kept up their fire. Occasionally, they pass over a spare magazine to keep him in the fight. Constantly pressuring their enemies and breaking their will to fight.
Their method, while seems excessive and brutal, was efficient since the enemies broke and ran for their dear life. For a moment, Gruber felt exhilarating, a thrill, and high of victory rushing over him as he watched the Chinese breaking off and ran as far as possible. But as Gruber and his Forward Observer team celebrated their victory, a mortar shell came crashing down on the tarmac.
Belisarius had a knee jerk reaction as he recoiled under pressure and shock by the barrage. The Chinese mortar barrage came like a downpour of steel and explosives on NATO troops holding the Airport. Many of them have to duck down and wait for the mortar barrage to die down. The howitzers from the German side of the battlefield soon counter-battery the Chinese mortars, silencing them with a steel rain down on the slums south of the Airport.
"Damn it, Gruber? Gruber? Gruber!" Belisarius called out to the Lieutenant as he ran out to search for him under the rubbles. What the robot wolf found after digging through the debris was a gnarly and disfigured remains of the Lieutenant. His right arm and leg were no more, just fleshy remains with a pool of his blood. His head and torso remained intact. But no hope for the man to regain conscient. He had gone to God in Heaven now.
"Requiescat in Pace," Belisarius uttered before closing Gruber's eyes and continued his search around the place for the remains of the Forward Observer Team. Save for the twisted and scattered bits of flesh and blood. Their helmets and body armor saved a good deal of their corpses for identification. As the French Foreign Legionnaire and German Panzergrenadiers pushed up with their reinforcements, they began to clear through the surrounding building blocks in quick and dirty firefights with pockets of Chinese defenders.
The Oriental Security mercenaries, however, were less than thrilled with the idea of facing a trained and well-equipped hostile force. Many of them surrendered without a fight, while some others fired sporadically before falling back. Belisarius participated in the action, chasing the enemies up to the bridge over the river dividing the city's downtown area from its western suburbs and slums.
As the day wore on, Belisarius returned to the airport with the 108th Regiment to rest. The latter was busy with rescuing civilians in Brazzaville and keeping the enemies occupied in the harbor areas of Kinshasa, feigning preparation for an amphibious landing. Belisarius went into a casualties collection tent, counting the dead and wounded they had sustained so far. He estimated their casualties in the area of 20 KIAs and an additional 25 WIAs. While far from unacceptable casualties figures, Belisarius could tell from the looks on the survivor's faces, each loss was a toll on the survivors. On the front and at home.
The 108th Regiment, in the meantime, proceeded to convert the Airport into their base of operation in the Congo. The A400Ms from subsequent flights began to land on the runway with various reinforcements, supplies, vehicles, and infrastructure support. As they worked and toiled around the clock, Anubis came to Belisarius, accompanied by the German General and a French Colonel, alongside them was a robot wolf with a rod of Aescelpius symbol painted on his pauldrons. Belisarius took notice and glanced over, noticing the German officer appeared to be a Brigadier General Hans Holzer. And the French Colonel to be Colonel DuBoise, French Foreign Legion 2e REP. "You must be Belisarius, the one who saved the crew of the Calypso?" Holzer asked as he extended a hand out to Belisarius.
"Yes, that I am. You must be the commanding officer of the expeditionary force." Belisarius inferred, to which Holzer burst into a chuckle at the robot's observation ability. "Ja, I am appointed by Berlin to lead the Bundeswehr contingent. He is Colonel DuBoise, leader of the French Foreign Legion 2nd Parachute Regiment." Holzer introduced DuBoise to Belisarius. The French colonel was wearing his green-covered helmet of the 2nd Foreign Legion Parachute Regiment. His insignia and rank were kept low-key by design to avoid being a sniper bullseye. "Monsieur, Paris is in your debt for your selfless service today." Colonel DuBoise stated to Belisarius as he shook the robot's hand. "It was nothing, just doing my job," Belisarius replied humbly.
"He's quite humble, it seems. Is this normal for the robots you made?" Holzer asked Anubis, to which the Jackal seems to make a rather reserved expression and attitude. "Not really. Some are more boisterous and boastful. Others like Belisarius are soft-spoken gentlemen. Their personalities varied from unit to unit, especially after deployments and accruing personal experiences." Anubis calmly explained to the bewildered NATO officers, who could not believe their ears.
"They develop personalities? Is it possible for A.Is to do so? I thought they were only far-flung future fantasies." Holzer exclaimed, confusedly to Anubis. He saw Anubis nonchalantly nodded to him, "Indeed, they can. How are they supposed to perform half as good as human soldiers if they can't gain experiences and develop personalities?" Anubis asked rhetorically, to which neither Holzer nor DuBoise had an answer.
"But how do you create these A.Is and program them?" Holzer asked curiously, to which Anubis glanced his eye over to the corpses of the dead German Panzergrenadiers and French Foreign Legionnaire. "A human soul's fragments and an A.I symbiosis. A method that no current human-computer algorithm or programming technique can catch up." The jackal deity spoke coldly, his hand reaching out to the body bag of Lt. Gruber and unzipping it to inspect the corpse. "A human soul? Surely, you can't be serious?" Holzer nervously inquired. Anubis didn't seem at all jesting with the NATO officer when he turned to them. His robot jackal face and optics shot them a glare that said it all. "Never was. I can demonstrate if you are willing to see."
To both Holzer and DuBoise, it sounded like a morbid invitation, the childlike curiosity with the desire to learn more of these robots. And yet, in the back of their minds, they could not help but feel something gnawing at them. A feeling that whatever they might learn would not look or sound so well to the public. "How long do you think it will take for this one?" Anubis asked the Physician robot. The white wolf with the blue rod of Aescelpius then bent over to inspect the corpse, putting his palm on Gruber's chest and head. "A day of work, no more, no less. I can salvage his brains and vital organs like the heart, lungs, digestive and reproductive organs." The doctor spoke bluntly. Holzer and DuBoise were shocked to hear of the process's specific details sounding like organ harvesting.
"Is this organ harvesting? Are you going to dissect his remains to take his organs out? How does that have anything to do with your robots?" DuBoise protested, being rather outraged by the grotesque idea Anubis had in mind. The Jackal deity didn't seem to care much for the Frenchman's fuming rage and simply crossed his arms before his chest. "Synthetic organ components. The Nanites I developed will assimilate them into robot components. Get it done." Anubis ordered the physician, who then zipped up the body bag and picked him up, carrying him away to a mobile lab module at the airport's east side. "I do not consent to this. The German public and government do not consent to this. How are you- am I supposed to explain to them?" Holzer furiously asked as he followed Anubis and the physician while Belisarius accompanied them to witness the process.
"Let me handle the public outrage and banana journalists." Anubis sternly remarked before seeing the corpse of Gruber being placed on an operating table by the physician. "You may want to step back." The physician suggested to Belisarius, who sighed out but conceded. They spectated from a shielded section of the lab module.
Inside the operating room, automated medical arms dissect his body, carefully scalped his head, and open his skull to extract his human brains. Each organ was placed inside a canopic jar-like container by the physician. Filled with preservative liquid, he continued his work vigorously as he began to open a large cylinder container, revealing a robot wolf frame on standby. Holzer and DuBoise saw it was a seven feet tall robot body, with chrome grey and silver armor plates top to bottom.
The physician then tapped the buttons on nearby keyboards to open the cylinder, letting cold liquid nitrogen hissing out. They saw the cranial unit open up several flaps. The human brain and organs, in turn, were injected by the physician with a strange liquid metal substance. The grey and silver metal goo once made contact with the preservative liquid, began to fill up the containers, and began the assimilation process.
The brain and organs began to turn synthetic with green circuit boards outlines. The physician then picked up the brains before inserted it into the cranial unit, and the flaps closed in, sealing the morphing brain tightly inside the cranial space. The mechanical arms surgically removed the robot armor plates and cut open the stomach region, allowing the physician to graft the organs into the body, with the Nanites inside moving them into position with the endoskeleton.
With that done, they saw a tendril latched into the back of the robot wolf's head, where his neck and head met. The tendril lodged itself deeply into the neural outlet port. Holzer and DuBoise saw a computer monitor displaying a text reading "Programming process: 0%". "Phase 1 is complete. This unit will be ready by tomorrow for review. Till then, there won't be much to report. I'll let you know what I managed to salvage from Lieutenant Gruber." The physician summarized to Anubis, who nodded to the robot.
"Thank you. Keep me posted." Holzer and DuBoise were less than thrilled. They were both disgusted by the surgery and the idea of robotizing their dead. It was effectively giving Gruber, a dead man, no rest from life. For now, they retired to have a meal until reports of the process stream in.
Horus was in the cafeteria attending lunch with the troops on board the Tartarus. The falcon crown prince sat at a table with Temujin and an odd red robot wolf. The red one looked almost identical to Temujin in build, if it weren’t for the red armor plates with the gold eagle emblem on his pauldron with a pair of crossed swords. His serial number and code appeared to be CLU-00591 GUNTER. They saw a news report from the Congo, showing Anubis and the robot wolves were in combat with the Chinese Oriental Security troops. “Will ya look at that. Anubis is having a field day with the press if he likes to be caught on cam as you.” Gunter stated in a gruff Texan voice and smirked while eating his meal.
“Yeah, only he never does like the attention. Always the dark knight, he is. Get in then get out, leaving no traces behind.” Horus remarked to Gunter as the crown prince ate his bird seeds from a small bowl and some hot meal on the navy tray. “I can’t fault him on that. But I think he could still use some publicities, might help bring in the cold hard cash to spend on the boys.” Said Gunter with a chortle as he ate the meal in his tray. Horus turned over to the red robot wolf and asked him.
“So what are you going to do once we’re on the ground? Ground pounder or Airwolf?” Gunter took notice of Horus’s question and tossed up a coin he had in a leather pouch. The coin spun in the air, flipping between Head and Tail before landing in Earl’s palm and it’s a Head. “Well, ground pounder it is. At least they gave me infantry training. In my lifetime, a pilot got basic firearm training and SERE. But man, when ya a robot with a robot brain, learning is as easy as shoving installing a software.”
Horus nodded to Gunter and patted his back in a friendly manner. “Even then, we still play it safe. You watch my back, I’ll watch yours. Catch you later Earl.” Horus commented before getting up and returned the lunch tray to the cafeteria, before heading back to his cabin on the Tartarus. He was afforded the officer quarters with a fairly spacious room on a ship. The room had an old analog clock hung on the wall, with a board for Horus to pin a world map, and photos of relevant individuals like Kong, Faisal, LeMonde, and the Nordwyrm Virus into place.
Horus pinned Kong's photo on Ethiopia with red strings connecting him to the Nordwyrm Virus, LeMonde, and Faisal. The extra photos were in the HVIs category so he can quickly keep track of them. He sat down and marked the days left before arriving in Somalia when He suddenly received a call from Anubis on their communication nexus and quickly answered.
“Hey bro, what’s up? Looks like you got one helluva press media storm in Kinshasa, huh? Any plans for press coverage and publicity stunts?” Horus asked in a playfully friendly manner, adding in his taste of jests. “Besides the usual phrase of no comments, and some trophy displays, not much. Besides, I got something I need to go over with Belisarius. He did well today, at least."
“Yeah, about that, go easy on him Anubis, if anything it’s my fault that got us all into this. He’s trying to fix the problem before it gets worse. But are you sure that I have to be there? I’ll be out in the open with zero deniability.” Horus inquired with a sigh as he laid down on the bed. “Trust me, you’ll need it. If you want to be a king, learn the concept of consequences first. Otherwise, we’ll have a bastard son on the throne, and I’m sure that neither you nor anyone else sees that as a good sign.” Anubis sternly stated, prompting Horus to make a thick gulp and nodded to Anubis’s harsh words.
“I understand, I won’t let you down Anubis.” Horus, however, heard Anubis made a quick comeback to his promise. “No, Horus, don’t disappoint yourself. May the Hidden One guide your path to the throne.” Anubis replied with Horus nodding to the statement. “You too, Anubis. I love you, take care of yourself and Belisarius as well.” Horus then hung up the call to contemplate the information he had, by now he was roughly two days away from arriving in Somalia.
But before he took a slumber, he pulled out a drawer and grabbed his onyx black tablet computer, and switched on the screen. The screen had a photo of Horus and Anubis standing by their chariot, a prized family possession. The vehicle had an azure blue color with gold ornate Isis figure on the front. The wheels were wooden and reinforced by iron hubcaps, a rarity for what was once a bronze civilization.
Horus stroked at the screen gently, trying his best not to scratch or dent it. He sighed out melancholy, looking at a simpler time when they had time for fun and games. Back then, he would race wildly around the Hippodrome as the champion of Egypt against others like Greeks, Romans, Goths, Gaulois, and Thracian. The Crown Prince then entered the password of his device and went into a file folder to go over intel reports about Somalia.
The first report that came to his attention was timestamped September 5th, 2022, by the Information Warfare Command of the Jackal Guards. This one had an attached photo of a red banner with a yellow hammer and sickle symbol in the middle. The report's headline pronounced, "Somali People's Liberation Front, a Chinese footprint in East Africa, and possible strategic targets." Horus then began to read through the report, going over paragraphs and sections outlying what these factions were.
"Formed by unknown and never before seen leftist provocateur and activist, who goes by the name Mohamed Burhaan. The SPLF champions a cause of Somali unity against perceived 'Imperialist aggressors.' Their method of recruitment lately has been to align elements in the country's society under their Socialist umbrella. Mainly the DAESH linked Al-Shabaab militants, clan militias, and pirates to intimidate the populace from accepting aids from AMISOM III Coalition."
The report read, and Horus grew more and more intrigued by the information it had to offer. He began to go through the various details like the supposed alliance of religiously motivated militants like Al-Shabaab would align with the supposedly Socialist SPLF coalition. One adjective was highlighted in yellow by the IWC Inquisitors for him to notice. "Tenuous." A word that gave insight into the nature of the alliance in question, Horus himself could surmise that one had the gunmen, and the other had the heavy weapons for the prolonged insurgency.
"Al-Shabaab militants have entertained the thought of acquiring up-to-date weaponry, modern flak jackets, equipment as well as an arsenal of heavy weapons and vehicles. The SPLF, through their connections to Oriental Securities in Ethiopia, provides such weapons. Along with technical expertise to train and maintain those weapons as well as the growing crop of Type-59 tanks. While woefully outdated, it would make for terrifying encounters for the AMISOM III troops who did not expect such weapons in Somalia."
Horus grew more and more intrigued by the report as he went through the highlighted words and paragraphs. "A debt-trap diplomacy move. Too bad Al-Shabaab is a useful idiot, so are the SPLF." Anubis commented while reading the report. He stroked his worriedly, however, knowing that Al-Shabaab's fanatical militants would not go down without a fight even if it meant suicide vests against one robot wolf. "Better keep an eye on Temujin and Earl, no telling what those savages would do to them." Horus murmured cautiously before putting the tablet back into the drawer and dozed off.
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2020.10.15 10:44 PointMan97 The Jackal Guards (Beta Reader) Chapter 4

Chapter 4: First to Fight

Brazzaville, Republic of the Congo
June 1st, 2025, 03:15 Hours
Belisarius sat inside the cargo bay of the A400M with his fellow robots, about 116 of them including himself. He looked out of the window to see the starry sky and misty cloud outside. The plane was approaching the airport of Brazzaville at low altitude for landing, each of the robots sat on their chairs on each side of the plane as it came in for landing. “Anubis, what’s our plan when we’re on the ground? Beside meeting the Gaulois and German forces that are supporting us.” Belisarius curiously questioned Anubis who sat next to him.
“We’ll be part of their offensive into the Congo to shake things up for Oriental Security. The situation on the ground is chaotic. I’m afraid.” Anubis replied before Belisarius heard a deafening artillery howl and detonation nearby. He cringed at first as the blast of the shell vibrated upwards, affecting the A400Ms that were coming down to Brazzaville’s airport. “I think I get the point, further briefing once we’re on the ground?” Belisarius asked before looking out of the plane’s porthole to the sight of a burning and smoking Brazzaville. “Exactly, once we got the situation under control, you’ll continue your hunt, and I’ll sort out the arrangements.” Anubis sighed as he looked out the porthole at the Chinese shelling of Brazzaville.
“Affirmative, sir, I’ll get it done. Any backups just in case the fight turns grossly against our favors?” Belisarius asked cautiously, to which Anubis looked over to the neighboring city of Brazzaville just on the other side of the Congo River. “We do, the Germans have already placed a brigade of their Panzergrenadiers on the ground with the French Foreign Legion 2nd REP.” The mere mention of the word Legion got Belisarius ears to perk up his eyes and seemed peaked with interests as to what this might mean. “Legion? I never thought the idea of Roman Legion would survive to this day.” Belisarius bluntly remarked.
As the plane landed on the runway, they felt the wheels skidding and slight turbulence vibrating through the fuselage before finally coming to a halt as the first A400M was on the ground before taxiing into the nearby parking lot. Its cargo ramp dropped down, and before the robots disembarked in droves, they already heard the howling howitzers shells and the tremors from the impacts. The robots quickly sprinted out with their equipment in hands, rucksacks, and magnetically attached backpacks shuffled along with their movements. Buildings around them were still standing, somewhere struck by shelling that left a permanent scar. Any structures taller than two-story were almost certain to lose at least half of their form.
They were using HK416A5s assault rifles with HK417A2s battle rifles for the most part. Some of them were carrying HK MG5 to provide suppressive fire on enemy targets behind hardened covers, while others were carrying the M27IAR as the fireteam’s Automatic Rifleman. In addition to those, some of the bots were carrying Carl Gustaf M3 Recoilless Rifles as the anti armor specialists of their respective units.
The robots ran a system diagnostic of their tactical and strategic internet system, at a fireteam level they had the PAN (Personal Area Network) wherein a handful of robots nearby can instantly exchange data at an instant. From a squad to platoon level, they had a specialist carrying a magnetically strapped backpack for modem and LAN equipment.
At the Company to Battalion level and above, the same specialist would carry a similar backpack but with a parabolic antenna link with satellite systems in geosynchronous orbit. Together these formed their ARGOS (Augmented Reality Ground Operations System), the pinnacle of digital military information systems. Most of the robot wolves made their ways to the riverbanks of Brazzaville with their mortars and machine gun teams. There, they set up a base of fires and defilade positions while mortar crews rain precision fire on Chinese defenders by the docks of Kinshasa.
Belisarius double-timed with Anubis towards a jeep and boarded it. Other robots were either busy disembarking from their planes or assisting human evacuations from the city. In the chaos of the moment, the French Foreign Legionnaire who drove the jeep for Anubis and Belisarius kept his eyes on the road. No time for pleasantries, let alone introduction even when he was the chauffeur for a being beyond his wildest imaginations.
"Back in 2023, Europa began their Second Rush to Africa. They aim to overthrow pro-China satellite states in the region and reform the long corrupt regimes of the continent to a more, shall we say, stable and open democracy. Spearheading this is France, one of the most significant colonial owners of the region in the last century." Said Anubis as they passed through the streets of Brazzaville.
Belisarius listened to Anubis while looking around him, seeing the sight of civilians battered by shells, surviving infants and toddlers crying incessantly at their dead parents, half-buried under the rubbles, their cries attracted relief aid workers coming to their rescue. "Our job is to help open the path into Congo, start by taking Kinshasa. That's where you come in." Anubis spoke in a steady tone as they arrived at the Ile M'Bamou, a massive island in the middle of the Congo River where the French Foreign Legion and German Panzergrenadiers were busy with building pontoon bridges to ford across the river to assault Kinshasa's N'djili International Airport.
As they were coming close to the construction site of the pontoon bridge, mortar bombardments began to intensify with the loud bang and booms of mortar shells hitting the dirt, kicking up debris and soil into the air. Occasionally, a human flew into the air with their limbs decapitated. The worst cases were the complete obliteration of their bodies, leaving nothing to identify. One such shell exploded next to the PVP armored car, knocking them over instantly. The shock of the blast left Belisarius dazed along with Anubis. The driver was unconscious, with his arms resting on the wheel and window of the PVP.
Belisarius grunted as his thigh compartment switched open. He reached his hand in and grabbed the hilt of the Gladius saber. Acting quickly and decisively, Belisarius slashed off the seatbelts that were holding him back. He then cut the belts for Anubis and the driver, allowing the Jackal to escape. "Thanks, old friend. I'll take the driver to the treeline, you get to the pontoon bridge and help them." Anubis grabbed the knocked out driver by his wrist and pulled him out of his car seat. The Jackal jumped out of the vehicle, Belisarius followed suit and sprinted towards the pontoon bridge under the unremitting mortar barrage.
Shells howled through the sky, tearing down trees and digging up soils, forcing soldiers and civilians to run for cover, hiding underground, in foxholes, or just under a treeline. As Belisarius came to the Pontoon Bridge construction site, he saw the German Pioneers and French Army Engineers were busy with bridge layer vehicles to set down a proper bridge on the Congo River. The troops there were shelled incessantly by the Chinese on the other side of the rivers.
"Who's in command here?" Belisarius instinctively asked one of the German Panzergrenadiers there. The Efreitor hastily pointed Belisarius to an observation post sitting on an elevated position of the isle. "Es ist Kapitän Kleinenberg! Er ist im Beobachtungsposten versuchen, für Gegenbatterie zu rufen. Wer bist du?" The Efreitor asked confusedly looking, at the seven feet tall Belisarius.
The translation software in Belisarius quickly provided the wolf with a rough translation of the Bundeswehr saying. His voice then received a synthesized version to communicate with the soldier in German, albeit lacking a distinctive dialect or accent. "Your reinforcement." He uttered tersely before sprinting up the hill towards the Observation Post much to the shock of the combined Panzergrenadiers and French Foreign Legionnaires. The robot werewolf opened the door and entered the OP before crouching down to avoid being sniped by a Chinese marksman or trained sniper. "Are you Captain Kleinenberg? I'm told you could use a hand." Said the wolf who caught the captain and his aides off-guard.
"Who the hell are you? And who permitted you to participate in this operation?" Captain Kleinenberg asked confusedly to Belisarius as he cringed under the shock and pressure of sustained mortar bombardment. "Introductions are for later. What do you need help with right now?" Belisarius insisted to the Captain, who then relented as he felt the barrage pressuring on his head. "I need some sharpshooters to take out those fucking mortar crews. They live, the bridge collapses. Get me?" The Captain ordered Belisarius, who nodded in acknowledgment, "I don't care how many, only where." He replied tersely, impressing the Captain with his can-do and no-nonsense attitude. "Alright, our scouts reported the mortars are firing from the marshes next to the airport."
Taking a moment to study the map, Belisarius saw that he could expect tree lines obstructing his views and dispersed mortar positions hiding in the shrubs. Perhaps some snipers to spot targets as well. "I need a weapon," Belisarius stated, prompting a Lieutenant to guide him out to the weapon rack. "Right this way." The Lieutenant gave Belisarius an MSG-90A2 sniper rifle with a bipod. "We're a bit short on ammo here. Radio jamming is making it difficult for us to get resupplied in time. Hopefully, our runner isn't dead before delivering his message." Said the Lieutenant as he handed Belisarius some spare magazines for his MSG-90 rifle. The robot wolf took the magazines and a plate carrier vest to carry the ammo.
"What's your name?" Belisarius asked the Lieutenant before following him out to the battlefield. "Anton, Leutnant Anton Gruber. Whatever you do out there, do it fast. We need the bridge consolidated before the tides pick up." Anton spoke urgently to Belisarius, prompting him to nod before sprinting out and took up a position near a French Foreign Legion's Pioneer foxhole. He laid down on his stomach and scanned the opposite bank with the MSG's scope.
He spotted the first mortar crew wearing camouflage from top to bottom with their weapon lobbing shells over the water. The robot wolf aimed down sight and began to calculate variables such as distance, gravity, rotation of the Earth, and so on. He fired once the calculation concluded, with the bullet landed on the mortar shell's wooden crate. The following detonation killed the entire mortar crew and their weapon.
Belisarius quickly switched on his thermal vision and aimed down the MSG's scope. He scanned the riverbank and opened fire on the enemy mortar crews and snipers. One by one, the Chinese dropped like flies before they began to fall back under a hail of automatic lead from NATO forces. "They are retreating. The bridge is safe now, time to move across and take the airport." The Lieutenant declared eagerly as the French Foreign Legion began to cross the pontoon bridge with German Leopard 2A7+ tanks to support them. Belisarius accompanied the Legionnaire as their shock trooper. He received a FAMAS FELIN rifle with fourteen magazines from one of the Legionnaire.
His curiosity grew as he held the bullpup assault rifle in his hand. The robot wolf managed to identify the cocking handle on the top side of the FAMAS and pulled the bolt down to check his ammo. His HUD ran a scan of the weapon and fed him information on its effective range, rate of fire, ammo capacity, fire modes. Once he had digested the technical performance and instructions, he cocked his head aside and began to head out with the humans. "Sledgehammer here, we have eyes on an enemy short-range SAM system. Engaging now." The Leopard 2A7+ Commander reported on the coms network. The crew loaded the 120mm Rheinmetal's L44 gun with a SABOT round as the main gun aimed at the HQ-12 missile truck.
With a booming thump sound, the gun muzzle breathed out a gust of flame, and the SABOT round flew towards the missile truck, and the vehicle exploded into a flaming wreck. However, the victory was short-lived, for the defending Chinese troops began to retaliate with machine-gun fire at the assaulting troops, and ATGMs flew towards the Leopard tank. "Leopard Zwei under attack! Request immediate assistant, over!" The commander called over the coms as the French Legionnaire took up firing positions and assaulted the ATGM nests.
"Lieutenant Gruber, where is the enemy jammer?" Belisarius asked while propped up against a tree. "About two 500 meters from where we are, the Chinese set up their jammers near the airport to mess with our coms." Hearing this while under a hail of enemy machine gun fires and the constant pressure of their automatic grenade launcher made Belisarius cagey.
The sooner they got rid of that jammer, the sooner they can call in Artillery from German howitzers. "Alright, Lt. Gruber, I'll destroy the jammer, and you call in artillery on the enemy position. Understood?" With only a single nod from Gruber, Belisarius sprinted away towards the edge of the airport. His robot wolf mobility and the digitigrade legs made his rapid advance incredibly fast, passing through the thick foliage and treelines. The Chinese were left bewildered by the lighting movement. He came barreling through the treelines and fell into a Chinese trench with his foot planted into one of their faces. His feet generated crunching sounds as they crushed a Chinese skull. Belisarius swiveled his body over to spray on the Chinese manning the HJ missile system.
As the Chinese defending that particular trench died a brutal and swift death, Belisarius grabbed their ATGM system and rotated around to aim at the Oriental Security operated Type-90 APC. The wolf fired the missile while keeping the weapon sight fixed firmly on the vehicle to guide the ATGM. The result was a violent penetration of the vehicle's hull and concluded with a fiery fireball with the crew screaming inside their steel coffin.
"Did you take out an enemy APC with their ATGM?" Gruber asked excitedly over their coms. However, the message came through garbled by the jammer. "Say again, Gruber. I can't hear you." Belisarius asked as he moved forward ahead of the others. The French Foreign Legionnaire followed up with their VABs and VBLs supporting the assault.
The Leopard 2A7 tank had another HJ-12 missile flown at it. This one came close only to be swatted down by the vehicle's APS system intercepting it. The French Foreign Legionnaire reacted quickly and opened fire furiously at the hiding position of the AT crew. M2 machine guns opened fire furiously to suppress the AT crew while the main gun fired an HE shell that blew away the vegetation of the riverbank.
As Belisarius led the assault further towards the airport, the vegetation gave way to a clear sightline of the airport's runway filled with J-11B jets with PLAAF markings. But what concerned Belisarius the most was the lack of cover from where he was towards the Jammer near the tarmac building.
As the Leopard 2 tank crept up to the edge of the forestry with the French Foreign Legionnaire following to support it, Lt. Gruber came up behind Belisarius, looking exhausted by the constant stress and running from before. "Hey, you have a way with charging ahead, don't you? Anyway, you got eyes on that enemy jammer?" Gruber asked while looking through his binoculars at the Chinese made Electronic Jammer. "I do. Resistance is light so far, but that doesn't seem right." Belisarius remarked as he laid down on his stomach, scanning the runway ahead of him. "Nein, they're moving reinforcements in to knock us back. We must take the tarmac. I can call in artillery support from there."
"Well, consider it done. I'll clear the way for you. Just rain fire at first sight of the enemy." Belisarius replied and stood up. The Legionnaire formed up behind him with additional troops moving in to back them up. These being German Panzergrenadiers with their Puma IFVs. The Chinese defending the airport ran behind their sandbags and barricades to set up firing positions. With machine guns and grenade launchers, they waited patiently for the NATO assault to inevitably come at them. Belisarius came over to the Leopard 2 and climbed aboard it to get the commander's attention. "Don't waste your shot on infantry. Aim for the jammer first. Leave the infantry to me." Belisarius instructed the commander, who acknowledged the coordination and relayed the instruction to his crew.
Sledgehammer's loader put an APFSDS round into the chamber. The gunner trained his sight on the mobile jammer array, and the commander permitted them to fire. The shell flew out of the 120mm main gun and slammed into the PLA's jammer array. The Electronic Jammer violently erupted into flame and burned down. Panicked, the Oriental Security troops were scrambling to douse the fire before it spread to the J-11s.
The defenders on impulse fired desperately at the attackers behind the treelines, cutting down branches, twigs. Some bullets ricochet and hit the French Foreign Legionnaire, either killing or wounding them. Gruber, on instinct, ducked down and held his helmet with both hands, groaning and gritting his teeth under the machine gunfire.
At the very least, communication for NATO troops had become much less arduous. Belisarius quickly called Anubis on their cyber coms to get a situation report. "Sir, we've destroyed the enemy's Jammer. Assault at the airport is on-going. What support do you have for us?" Anubis, on the other end of the line, quickly responded to the report with great urgency in his tone.
"Belisarius! The Chinese are sending reinforcements towards the airport. I'm sending the 108th to assist you now, but they need time to get across the Congo River. ETA: 10 minutes." He knew that it was too easy for their initial assault. Why didn't the Chinese scramble their J-11s jet remained unknown, but he could infer one possible reason being to avoid escalation. Even then, it was a rather flimsy excuse, even on the Chinese part.
Being the ever punctual robot, Belisarius quickly took potshots at the Chinese machine gunners. Before the MG crew could resume fire, he fired some more accurate shots at their heads, knocking them down one by one while the Foreign Legionnaire crept up. They opened fire at the Chinese defenders of the Airport and made flanking maneuvers with support from German Puma IFVs laying down suppressive fire. Belisarius sprinted with one such squad, making a beeline towards the tarmac and gunning down the defenders effortlessly. Lt. Gruber quickly ran up the tarmac with his spotter team before eventually arriving at the top to set up an OP.
"Hammer, this is Muninn. We have eyes on a large concentration of enemy armored forces situated on the clearing to the south of the airport. Request immediate Anti-Armor barrage on my coordinates over." Gruber urgently called on the PzH2000s while peering through his binoculars to the sight of the incoming enemy armor. As they watched Chinese Type-96 tanks rolling towards them with various APCs support, Gruber felt like he was about to be run over by armored treads.
Belisarius, on the ground with other French Foreign Legionnaires, was digging into fighting positions. They parked their tanks and IFVs by the choke points into the airport's runway. "Verstanden Muninn, feuern Sie dichtes Artilleriefeuer auf Ihre Zielkoordinaten ab." Gruber then transmitted the coordinates to the crew using a stylus pen on a command tablet he had with a few taps and swipes.
Once the crew received their target coordinates, they fired off barrages of 155mm guided Anti Armor rounds at the incoming Type-96 tanks. The artillery roared a thunderous bellow, with their shells soaring through the sky, tearing through clouds like Thor's Mjolnir hammer. They soon came down on the Type-96 tanks and knocked out a large portion of the Chinese tank platoon, sending turrets flying into the air like Lego pieces. Vehicle components smashed to smithereens. The following APCs met the same fate, with the Leopard 2s scoring direct hits upon direct hits. Some of the Leopard 2s even scored a double kill with their shells penetrating through multiple APCs that happened to line up.
“Muninn, das ist Hammer. Können wir eine KBE?” The artillery crew asked the now much more invigorated Lt. Gruber as he watched the artillery shells raining death and destruction on the Chinese tank formations. "Hammer, das ist Muninn. Feindliche Panzer nahmen schwere Verluste, mehr Fahrzeuge zerstört." Additional infantry struggled to wade forward, only to curl up in a fetal position under the constant barrage. Others tossed up smoke grenades to cover themselves, then pushed forward under the cover, only for them to be cut down by machine gunfire. The dug in, Panzergrenadiers, and French Foreign Legion had the benefits of thermal optics to pierce through the thick smokescreen and dust clouds kicked up by the artillery shells.
Even Belisarius could do little other than to pick off enemy stragglers as they came close to his position. The French Foreign Legionnaire and German Panzergrenadiers around him kept up their fire. Occasionally, they pass over a spare magazine to keep him in the fight. Constantly pressuring their enemies and breaking their will to fight.
Their method, while seems excessive and brutal, was efficient since the enemies broke and ran for their dear life. For a moment, Gruber felt exhilarating, a thrill, and high of victory rushing over him as he watched the Chinese breaking off and ran as far as possible. But as Gruber and his Forward Observer team celebrated their victory, a mortar shell came crashing down on the tarmac.
Belisarius had a knee jerk reaction as he recoiled under pressure and shock by the barrage. The Chinese mortar barrage came like a downpour of steel and explosives on NATO troops holding the Airport. Many of them have to duck down and wait for the mortar barrage to die down. The howitzers from the German side of the battlefield soon counter-battery the Chinese mortars, silencing them with a steel rain down on the slums south of the Airport.
"Damn it, Gruber? Gruber? Gruber!" Belisarius called out to the Lieutenant as he ran out to search for him under the rubbles. What the robot wolf found after digging through the debris was a gnarly and disfigured remains of the Lieutenant. His right arm and leg were no more, just fleshy remains with a pool of his blood. His head and torso remained intact. But no hope for the man to regain conscient. He had gone to God in Heaven now.
"Requiescat in Pace," Belisarius uttered before closing Gruber's eyes and continued his search around the place for the remains of the Forward Observer Team. Save for the twisted and scattered bits of flesh and blood. Their helmets and body armor saved a good deal of their corpses for identification. As the French Foreign Legionnaire and German Panzergrenadiers pushed up with their reinforcements, they began to clear through the surrounding building blocks in quick and dirty firefights with pockets of Chinese defenders.
The Oriental Security mercenaries, however, were less than thrilled with the idea of facing a trained and well-equipped hostile force. Many of them surrendered without a fight, while some others fired sporadically before falling back. Belisarius participated in the action, chasing the enemies up to the bridge over the river dividing the city's downtown area from its western suburbs and slums.
As the day wore on, Belisarius returned to the airport with the 108th Regiment to rest. The latter was busy with rescuing civilians in Brazzaville and keeping the enemies occupied in the harbor areas of Kinshasa, feigning preparation for an amphibious landing. Belisarius went into a casualties collection tent, counting the dead and wounded they had sustained so far. He estimated their casualties in the area of 20 KIAs and an additional 25 WIAs. While far from unacceptable casualties figures, Belisarius could tell from the looks on the survivor's faces, each loss was a toll on the survivors. On the front and at home.
The 108th Regiment, in the meantime, proceeded to convert the Airport into their base of operation in the Congo. The A400Ms from subsequent flights began to land on the runway with various reinforcements, supplies, vehicles, and infrastructure support. As they worked and toiled around the clock, Anubis came to Belisarius, accompanied by the German General and a French Colonel, alongside them was a robot wolf with a rod of Aescelpius symbol painted on his pauldrons. Belisarius took notice and glanced over, noticing the German officer appeared to be a Brigadier General Hans Holzer. And the French Colonel to be Colonel DuBoise, French Foreign Legion 2e REP. "You must be Belisarius, the one who saved the crew of the Calypso?" Holzer asked as he extended a hand out to Belisarius.
"Yes, that I am. You must be the commanding officer of the expeditionary force." Belisarius inferred, to which Holzer burst into a chuckle at the robot's observation ability. "Ja, I am appointed by Berlin to lead the Bundeswehr contingent. He is Colonel DuBoise, leader of the French Foreign Legion 2nd Parachute Regiment." Holzer introduced DuBoise to Belisarius. The French colonel was wearing his green-covered helmet of the 2nd Foreign Legion Parachute Regiment. His insignia and rank were kept low-key by design to avoid being a sniper bullseye. "Monsieur, Paris is in your debt for your selfless service today." Colonel DuBoise stated to Belisarius as he shook the robot's hand. "It was nothing, just doing my job," Belisarius replied humbly.
"He's quite humble, it seems. Is this normal for the robots you made?" Holzer asked Anubis, to which the Jackal seems to make a rather reserved expression and attitude. "Not really. Some are more boisterous and boastful. Others like Belisarius are soft-spoken gentlemen. Their personalities varied from unit to unit, especially after deployments and accruing personal experiences." Anubis calmly explained to the bewildered NATO officers, who could not believe their ears.
"They develop personalities? Is it possible for A.Is to do so? I thought they were only far-flung future fantasies." Holzer exclaimed, confusedly to Anubis. He saw Anubis nonchalantly nodded to him, "Indeed, they can. How are they supposed to perform half as good as human soldiers if they can't gain experiences and develop personalities?" Anubis asked rhetorically, to which neither Holzer nor DuBoise had an answer.
"But how do you create these A.Is and program them?" Holzer asked curiously, to which Anubis glanced his eye over to the corpses of the dead German Panzergrenadiers and French Foreign Legionnaire. "A human soul's fragments and an A.I symbiosis. A method that no current human-computer algorithm or programming technique can catch up." The jackal deity spoke coldly, his hand reaching out to the body bag of Lt. Gruber and unzipping it to inspect the corpse. "A human soul? Surely, you can't be serious?" Holzer nervously inquired. Anubis didn't seem at all jesting with the NATO officer when he turned to them. His robot jackal face and optics shot them a glare that said it all. "Never was. I can demonstrate if you are willing to see."
To both Holzer and DuBoise, it sounded like a morbid invitation, the childlike curiosity with the desire to learn more of these robots. And yet, in the back of their minds, they could not help but feel something gnawing at them. A feeling that whatever they might learn would not look or sound so well to the public. "How long do you think it will take for this one?" Anubis asked the Physician robot. The white wolf with the blue rod of Aescelpius then bent over to inspect the corpse, putting his palm on Gruber's chest and head. "A day of work, no more, no less. I can salvage his brains and vital organs like the heart, lungs, digestive and reproductive organs." The doctor spoke bluntly. Holzer and DuBoise were shocked to hear of the process's specific details sounding like organ harvesting.
"Is this organ harvesting? Are you going to dissect his remains to take his organs out? How does that have anything to do with your robots?" DuBoise protested, being rather outraged by the grotesque idea Anubis had in mind. The Jackal deity didn't seem to care much for the Frenchman's fuming rage and simply crossed his arms before his chest. "Synthetic organ components. The Nanites I developed will assimilate them into robot components. Get it done." Anubis ordered the physician, who then zipped up the body bag and picked him up, carrying him away to a mobile lab module at the airport's east side. "I do not consent to this. The German public and government do not consent to this. How are you- am I supposed to explain to them?" Holzer furiously asked as he followed Anubis and the physician while Belisarius accompanied them to witness the process.
"Let me handle the public outrage and banana journalists." Anubis sternly remarked before seeing the corpse of Gruber being placed on an operating table by the physician. "You may want to step back." The physician suggested to Belisarius, who sighed out but conceded. They spectated from a shielded section of the lab module.
Inside the operating room, automated medical arms dissect his body, carefully scalped his head, and open his skull to extract his human brains. Each organ was placed inside a canopic jar-like container by the physician. Filled with preservative liquid, he continued his work vigorously as he began to open a large cylinder container, revealing a robot wolf frame on standby. Holzer and DuBoise saw it was a seven feet tall robot body, with chrome grey and silver armor plates top to bottom.
The physician then tapped the buttons on nearby keyboards to open the cylinder, letting cold liquid nitrogen hissing out. They saw the cranial unit open up several flaps. The human brain and organs, in turn, were injected by the physician with a strange liquid metal substance. The grey and silver metal goo once made contact with the preservative liquid, began to fill up the containers, and began the assimilation process.
The brain and organs began to turn synthetic with green circuit boards outlines. The physician then picked up the brains before inserted it into the cranial unit, and the flaps closed in, sealing the morphing brain tightly inside the cranial space. The mechanical arms surgically removed the robot armor plates and cut open the stomach region, allowing the physician to graft the organs into the body, with the Nanites inside moving them into position with the endoskeleton.
With that done, they saw a tendril latched into the back of the robot wolf's head, where his neck and head met. The tendril lodged itself deeply into the neural outlet port. Holzer and DuBoise saw a computer monitor displaying a text reading "Programming process: 0%". "Phase 1 is complete. This unit will be ready by tomorrow for review. Till then, there won't be much to report. I'll let you know what I managed to salvage from Lieutenant Gruber." The physician summarized to Anubis, who nodded to the robot.
"Thank you. Keep me posted." Holzer and DuBoise were less than thrilled. They were both disgusted by the surgery and the idea of robotizing their dead. It was effectively giving Gruber, a dead man, no rest from life. For now, they retired to have a meal until reports of the process stream in.
Horus was in the cafeteria attending lunch with the troops on board the Tartarus. The falcon crown prince sat at a table with Temujin and an odd red robot wolf. The red one looked almost identical to Temujin in build, if it weren’t for the red armor plates with the gold eagle emblem on his pauldron with a pair of crossed swords. His serial number and code appeared to be CLU-00591 GUNTER. They saw a news report from the Congo, showing Anubis and the robot wolves were in combat with the Chinese Oriental Security troops. “Will ya look at that. Anubis is having a field day with the press if he likes to be caught on cam as you.” Gunter stated in a gruff Texan voice and smirked while eating his meal.
“Yeah, only he never does like the attention. Always the dark knight, he is. Get in then get out, leaving no traces behind.” Horus remarked to Gunter as the crown prince ate his bird seeds from a small bowl and some hot meal on the navy tray. “I can’t fault him on that. But I think he could still use some publicities, might help bring in the cold hard cash to spend on the boys.” Said Gunter with a chortle as he ate the meal in his tray. Horus turned over to the red robot wolf and asked him.
“So what are you going to do once we’re on the ground? Ground pounder or Airwolf?” Gunter took notice of Horus’s question and tossed up a coin he had in a leather pouch. The coin spun in the air, flipping between Head and Tail before landing in Earl’s palm and it’s a Head. “Well, ground pounder it is. At least they gave me infantry training. In my lifetime, a pilot got basic firearm training and SERE. But man, when ya a robot with a robot brain, learning is as easy as shoving installing a software.”
Horus nodded to Gunter and patted his back in a friendly manner. “Even then, we still play it safe. You watch my back, I’ll watch yours. Catch you later Earl.” Horus commented before getting up and returned the lunch tray to the cafeteria, before heading back to his cabin on the Tartarus. He was afforded the officer quarters with a fairly spacious room on a ship. The room had an old analog clock hung on the wall, with a board for Horus to pin a world map, and photos of relevant individuals like Kong, Faisal, LeMonde, and the Nordwyrm Virus into place.
Horus pinned Kong's photo on Ethiopia with red strings connecting him to the Nordwyrm Virus, LeMonde, and Faisal. The extra photos were in the HVIs category so he can quickly keep track of them. He sat down and marked the days left before arriving in Somalia when He suddenly received a call from Anubis on their communication nexus and quickly answered.
“Hey bro, what’s up? Looks like you got one helluva press media storm in Kinshasa, huh? Any plans for press coverage and publicity stunts?” Horus asked in a playfully friendly manner, adding in his taste of jests. “Besides the usual phrase of no comments, and some trophy displays, not much. Besides, I got something I need to go over with Belisarius. He did well today, at least."
“Yeah, about that, go easy on him Anubis, if anything it’s my fault that got us all into this. He’s trying to fix the problem before it gets worse. But are you sure that I have to be there? I’ll be out in the open with zero deniability.” Horus inquired with a sigh as he laid down on the bed. “Trust me, you’ll need it. If you want to be a king, learn the concept of consequences first. Otherwise, we’ll have a bastard son on the throne, and I’m sure that neither you nor anyone else sees that as a good sign.” Anubis sternly stated, prompting Horus to make a thick gulp and nodded to Anubis’s harsh words.
“I understand, I won’t let you down Anubis.” Horus, however, heard Anubis made a quick comeback to his promise. “No, Horus, don’t disappoint yourself. May the Hidden One guide your path to the throne.” Anubis replied with Horus nodding to the statement. “You too, Anubis. I love you, take care of yourself and Belisarius as well.” Horus then hung up the call to contemplate the information he had, by now he was roughly two days away from arriving in Somalia.
But before he took a slumber, he pulled out a drawer and grabbed his onyx black tablet computer, and switched on the screen. The screen had a photo of Horus and Anubis standing by their chariot, a prized family possession. The vehicle had an azure blue color with gold ornate Isis figure on the front. The wheels were wooden and reinforced by iron hubcaps, a rarity for what was once a bronze civilization.
Horus stroked at the screen gently, trying his best not to scratch or dent it. He sighed out melancholy, looking at a simpler time when they had time for fun and games. Back then, he would race wildly around the Hippodrome as the champion of Egypt against others like Greeks, Romans, Goths, Gaulois, and Thracian. The Crown Prince then entered the password of his device and went into a file folder to go over intel reports about Somalia.
The first report that came to his attention was timestamped September 5th, 2022, by the Information Warfare Command of the Jackal Guards. This one had an attached photo of a red banner with a yellow hammer and sickle symbol in the middle. The report's headline pronounced, "Somali People's Liberation Front, a Chinese footprint in East Africa, and possible strategic targets." Horus then began to read through the report, going over paragraphs and sections outlying what these factions were.
"Formed by unknown and never before seen leftist provocateur and activist, who goes by the name Mohamed Burhaan. The SPLF champions a cause of Somali unity against perceived 'Imperialist aggressors.' Their method of recruitment lately has been to align elements in the country's society under their Socialist umbrella. Mainly the DAESH linked Al-Shabaab militants, clan militias, and pirates to intimidate the populace from accepting aids from AMISOM III Coalition."
The report read, and Horus grew more and more intrigued by the information it had to offer. He began to go through the various details like the supposed alliance of religiously motivated militants like Al-Shabaab would align with the supposedly Socialist SPLF coalition. One adjective was highlighted in yellow by the IWC Inquisitors for him to notice. "Tenuous." A word that gave insight into the nature of the alliance in question, Horus himself could surmise that one had the gunmen, and the other had the heavy weapons for the prolonged insurgency.
"Al-Shabaab militants have entertained the thought of acquiring up-to-date weaponry, modern flak jackets, equipment as well as an arsenal of heavy weapons and vehicles. The SPLF, through their connections to Oriental Securities in Ethiopia, provides such weapons. Along with technical expertise to train and maintain those weapons as well as the growing crop of Type-59 tanks. While woefully outdated, it would make for terrifying encounters for the AMISOM III troops who did not expect such weapons in Somalia."
Horus grew more and more intrigued by the report as he went through the highlighted words and paragraphs. "A debt-trap diplomacy move. Too bad Al-Shabaab is a useful idiot, so are the SPLF." Anubis commented while reading the report. He stroked his worriedly, however, knowing that Al-Shabaab's fanatical militants would not go down without a fight even if it meant suicide vests against one robot wolf. "Better keep an eye on Temujin and Earl, no telling what those savages would do to them." Horus murmured cautiously before putting the tablet back into the drawer and dozed off.
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2020.10.02 06:54 hetzjagd Collected interviews, information and photos of Curtis Plum

To some this might shed some more light on this somewhat mysterious emcee, to others this isn't anything you couldn't find via googling under various keywords. I'm rushing it and may come back to edit in further links, info and photos. I want to try include a gigography with dates and venues as well as a potentially better edit for readability. There is another write up in Boise Weekly (titled "Are Two Hats Better Than One, Curtis Plum?") but I'm not sure if it's mirrored like the article immediately below is. Both Boise Weekly articles are linked in his wikipedia but the links are dead.
Boise Weekly Vol. 18 Issue 49 from June 2010 Original link screenshot
In this article we learn the Curtis once had a 6 page spread in Big Brother skateboard magazine where he went under the name Curt Muska. Curtis also makes reference to having bipolar and at times suffering from manic episodes. He cites Ol' Dirty Bastard as an influence on him creating his own raps. Call My Cellphone was worked on for about two years. He also raps in a put on voice, not his regular voice - although this is also alluded to in the Above Ground Magazine writeup linked from the wiki.
Big Brother skateboard magazine from 2003. Original link screenshots
In this Curtis says he is 20 and the interviewer asks if he will have a hip hop album coming out and 'Curt Muska' says that's a good idea. He says he has been in a few fights in previous years. Of minor trivia value, Curt goes on to say he thinks another skater, Corey Duffel is hot and they should hook up. Both him and the interviewer (presumably playing along with Curt) refer to Corey as female. Corey is a guy.
Slap Magazine, or Big Brother also in 2003 (I can't tell which) Original link screenshot
In this interview Corey is told 'Curt' has said this about him and he responds to it briefly. I'm not sure if it's an inside joke but the author of the 'Curt Muska' interview and the Corey interview are the same person and he asks them in each of their respective interviews "do you think you're a kook?". Curtis says he doesn't think he, himself, is. Corey says he, himself, is "the number one kook".
Additionally there is a Vice article called Schizophrenia Not Caught On Tape Original link [PDF version of the whole issue] screenshot
In this four people are asked to discuss four Hollywood movies that depict mental illness. Curtis Plum is one of the four that gives his opinions. He makes reference to mental health hospital stays, experiencing hallucinations and otherwise comes across in my opinion as a particuarly intelligent person with great insight as to himself and mental health in general.
Also to my surprise it turns out Myspace is still online? Here's his myspace page (I haven't run it through webarchive to see if there are earlier edits or different content then what is on there currently)
Some misc Curtis photos Views of the album art
Additionally I also found an obituary for Curtis's grandfather which I'm not going to include as it seems like it could be in poor taste and a potential invasion of privacy. It doesn't shed any further light on Curtis himself. There's also some other brief articles and photos out there that I haven't included as they seem redundant or unnecessary.
He appears to be born April 3 1982 in Bozeman, Gallatin, Montana. On the Strange Famous facebook page there's a post wishing him a Happy Birthday on April 2, I think the discrepancy may be because of my viewing it from Australia and a difference in timezones. Lived in Middleton, Idaho then seemingly moved with family to, and is still living in, Boise, Idaho. Take that with a grain of salt but I'm reasonably confident of it. He has two older brothers Brian and Todd (affectionately known as TJ or 'Toe Jam' when they were younger). He makes reference to his two brothers on his old myspace. Bordering on overkill and a breach of his privacy here but ..
Another thing I came across was a dead link to an mp3 for a Boise Skate Night event called The Valkyries Neon Nights. Curtis performed at this event and is possibly included in the mp3 of the show. Webarchive doesn't appear to have the mp3 indexed. I'd love to get my hands on that if anyone has it or can figure out how to get it. There is also an old twitter account for Boise Skate Nights that makes reference to a podcast that discusses? the event however link to the podcast uses a link forwarder service called 'twitterurls' which is now down and it doesn't seem possible to work out where the direct link would have pointed.
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2020.09.23 16:27 coy-coyote Escape from Los Angeles <09-23-20>

Escape From Los Angeles
Background
[KRIMEWAVE] Metaploot: M4, working with his contacts with Horizon, has lost an operative in Los Angeles in a forward recon position against Aztechnology. Aztechnology, looking to keep any links to a possible TBI informant looking to acquire evidence to use or sell to the PCC in the escalating conflict between Horizon and Aztechnology, opts to sell the captured officer off to the nearby Triad body clinic, little realizing the Sapphire Crane will opt to keep her alive while parting her out and trying to demand a ransom from the woman's listed employers, Krime.
Meeting with the TBI's informant within Horizon, the technomancer known as 84r845r3114, M4 arranges logistics for a team to get dropped off on the island, unwilling to risk known assets further exposing the organization.
Meet
Runners met at the 'Friendly Skies' hobby airport, located in south Auburn, in the C-zone bordering Boise and Puyallup.
Run
Arriving on the island, runners conducted initial recon and assessed their talent pool for a route of entry. They relied on their backgrounds and knowledge skills to give them a reasonable estimation of the crime mall's balance of powers.
Dr. Beefton utilized drone reconnaissance to scout relative borders of the various factions and to scan for large power sources that might support a medical clinic.
Lacking a proper face, the team opted for teamworked negotiation and leadership, relying on composure to back their attempted bribe of the clinician, Dr. Xiao Deng, the graveyard doctor. Dr. Deng charged the runners 65% of their total payment for the run as the fee to release the body at 1/6th of its estimated retail value to the organleggers, 100,000 nuyen (25k downpayment from each runner out of a 40k total payment), against the 540,000 'parted out' cost.
Aftermath
In order to cover for the perfidy, Ms. Deng is forced to tranq patch herself after locking herself in a janitorial closet after the runners escape; she fudges the camera feeds at the clinic as well to back this play, advising the runners that they may be hunted by the Sapphire Crane Triad shortly.
Expenses
Runners bribed their way out of major conflict, instead earning a contact with some bonus points of loyalty and connection. 100,000 nuyen bribe.
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2020.09.20 15:00 portlane Carol Wahlers (March 14, 1928 - Sept. 10, 2020)

Carol Naomi Wahlers
March 14, 1928 - Sept. 10, 2020
Carol Naomi Johnson was born in Boise, Idaho March 14, 1928, to Carl and Florence (Anderson) Johnson. After graduating from Escalon (Calif.) High School in 1945, Carol attended Gustavus Adolphus College and graduated from Lewis & Clark College in 1949. Carol served as an RN and taught nursing at the Emanuel Hospital nursing school (an extension school of Pacific Lutheran College). The nursing students (all female) studied their lab sciences at Concordia Academy in N..E Portland (which was all male). The Emanuel nursing students and the Concordia students connected Carol with Arthur Wahlers (Academy Principal) and set them up on a blind date. They met in the Concordia gymnasium under the scoreboard and went out for their first date at Rose's Delicatessen Feb. 22, 1952. Carol and Art became engaged Oct. 17, 1952 and Carol married Art June 7, 1953 at The Saron Lutheran Church in Escalon, Calif., officiated by Carol's father, Rev. Carl W. Johnson. The couple was blessed with four children and Carol took a break from nursing to be a stay-at-home mother and homemaker. She returned to nursing at Emanuel from 1966 -1977 at which point she retired permanently from nursing. Carol enjoyed several hobbies including decoupage, making greeting cards, gardening, taking photos, and especially genealogy. Carol was very proud of her Swedish heritage and she and Art took several trips to Sweden and Germany to research the family trees of both the Johnson and Wahlers family. She loved to watch football and was a die-hard San Francisco 49er fan her entire life. Carol was a committed Christian and was a long-time member of St. Michaels Lutheran Church where she was an officer of the Ladies Guild, Bible Class leader and where she established and maintained many friendships. Carol and Art were famous for their large Thanksgiving gatherings which included family, friends, and people who needed a place to go on the fourth Thursday of November. Carol and Art spent many wonderful and relaxing days at their beach house in Lincoln City. Carol and Art were vigorous advocates for people with disabilities and the couple worked tirelessly on the local, regional and national level with Ecumenical Ministries of Oregon and the Northwest District of The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod to advocate for barrier free facilities and age appropriate lifestyles for all people. Carol was awarded the Christi Crux Award from Concordia University for her service to the Church and the Community. Carol loved to travel, attend and listen to musical theater, read and socialize with her friends and family.
Carol was predeceased by her husband, Arthur Wahlers (2014); her parents, Carl and Florence Johnson; and her brother, Myron Johnson. Carol is survived by her son, Mark (Yoshino) of Portland; her daughter, Miriam "Mimi" Musella (Steve) of Pomona, Calif.; her son, David of Los Angeles; her son, Joel (Dawn) of Napa, Calif.; two granddaughters, Nicki and Maggie Wahlers of Portland; and one grandson, Matthew Wahlers of Napa, Calif. Carol died peacefully with family members and she has now joined the great cloud of witnesses in heaven with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
A Celebration of Life service will be held at a future date. Memorial gifts may be made to the Good Shepherd Fund (www.gsfcare.org).
Please sign the online guest book at www.oregonlive.com/obits
source: http://obits.oregonlive.com/obituaries/oregon/obituary.aspx?n=carol-naomi-wahlers&pid=196819819
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$1/ML Tom Ford Overstock Sale

25ml, 60ml, or 100ml sizes
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Xerjoff

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Yves Saint Laurent (vintage items)

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10ML Add-on Section

Items below can be purchased as add-ons for the listed prices, or you can now purchase them alone when adding $4 for shipping and packaging (no need to add another $4 after the first item)
For 25ml prices, multiply the 10ml prices below by 2.4
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  • Ormonde Jayne - Ormonde Man (6ml left $12)
  • Tom Ford - Black Orchid EDP ($15)
  • Tom Ford - Grey Vetiver EDP (out of stock)
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  • Tom Ford - Jasmin Musk ($10)
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  • Tom Ford - Vert de Fleur ($10)
  • Valentino - Valentina (women's/only $5)
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  • Victor and Rolf - Spicebomb ($13)
  • YSL - La Nuit de L'Homme (2019) ($12)
  • YSL - L'Homme 2006 ($18)
  • YSL - L'Homme 2009 ($16)
  • YSL - Y EDP ($16)
  • YSL - Y LIVE ($15)
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2020.06.30 23:36 sunzusunzusunzusunzu Lori Vallow Probable Cause Affidavit - June 29 2020

I, Lt. Ron Ball, of the Rexburg Police Department, being first duly sworn under oath, depose and state as follows:
  1. The information contained herein is true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief.
  2. I am a Detective with the Rexburg Police Department and have been employed in Law Enforcement for more than 27 years. I am currently the lieutenant over investigations for the Rexburg Police Department. I currently hold an Advanced Certificate and Management Certificate from the Idaho Peace Officers Standards and Training Academy and have over 2500 hours of training. I have attended multiple trainings and classes throughout my career, including graduating from the FBI National Academy in 2015. I have received multiple hours of specialized training in investigations. I have also conducted numerous investigations and interviews with suspects, victims and witnesses involving narcotics, sex crimes and fraud. I have also received numerous hours of training on traffic stops and detection of criminal behavior.
  3. Since November 26, 2019, the Rexburg Police Department has been involved in the search for JJ Vallow, DOB: 5/25/2012, (hereinafter JJ) and Tylee Ryan, DOB: 9/24/2002 (hereinafter Tylee). The search for these children began when Kay Woodcock, JJ’s grandmother, called Gilbert Arizona Police to report that she had not had any contact with JJ for several months. Gilbert Police contacted the Detective Ray Hermosillo of the Rexburg Police Department (RPD) due to the RPD helping the Gilbert Police with an investigation in which JJ’s and Tylee’s mother, cousin, and uncle were persons of interest.
  4. JJ and Tylee’s mother, Vallow, (hereinafter Vallow) has been charged with two felony counts of Desertion of Minor Child, one misdemeanor count of Resisting and Obstructing, one misdemeanor count of Solicitation to Commit Crime and one misdemeanor count of Contempt. The Contempt charge is for failing to comply with an Order in child protection action in Madison County, Idaho to produce JJ and Tylee to the Rexburg Police or the Department of Health and Welfare. Vallow was required to produce the children by January 30, 2020 and refused to do so.
  5. Tylee was 16 years old at the time she went missing and JJ was years 7 old when he went missing. Until this time law enforcement has stated that Tylee was 17 at the time she went missing because we were not aware she was missing until several months after her seventeenth birthday. However, we now have reason to believe she was killed before her seventeenth birthday.
  6. Chad Daybell (hereinafter Daybell) was present in Kauai, Hawaii on February 20th, 2020 when Vallow was arrested on the felony desertion charges. I was present at that arrest. Daybell was also present at Vallow’s March 6th initial appearance in Madison County, Idaho. As such, I know that Daybell was aware of felony charges directly related to the location, health, and well-being of the minor children named above.
  7. Daybell and Vallow were married on November 5, 2019. Daybell’s first wife, Tamara (Tammy) Daybell, died the night of October 19, 2019 in Fremont County, Idaho. Tammy’s death is still under investigation.
  8. The last verifiable sighting of Tylee was on September 8, 2019, in Yellowstone National Park. The last verifiable sighting of JJ was September 22, 2019, in his mother’s apartment, located at 565 Pioneer Road, #175, Rexburg, Idaho, by Lori’s friend, Melani Gibb (Gibb) and David Warwick (Warwick) While the Rexburg Police and FBI have received many tips of alleged sightings since the beginning of the case, none of these tips have led to any verifiable or actionable information regarding the health, safety or location of the minor children.
  9. Vallow moved to Rexburg on or about September 1, 2019, With Tylee and JJ and her brother, Alex Cox (Cox). Vallow resided with her children at 565 Pioneer Road, Unit #175, Rexburg, Idaho. Cox resided in the same complex, initially living in the same unit as Vallow and then moving into his own unit at 565 Pioneer Road, Unit #107, Rexburg, Idaho.
  10. On November 26, 2019, Detective Hermosillo and Detective Hope from the RPD went to Vallow’s home located at 565 Pioneer Road, #175, Rexburg, Idaho, to conduct welfare check. Detectives Hermosillo and Hope met with Cox and Daybell outside the residence. Daybell acted as if he didn’t know Vallow very well and stated he didn’t know her phone number. Cox told the detectives that JJ was with his grandma, Kay Woodcock, in Louisiana, which was not likely to be true due to the fact that Kay was the individual who first called in missing child report to the Gilbert Police Department. Cox said Vallow may be in apartment #107. Hermosillo and Hope went to apartment #107, but the apartment was completely empty and vacant. At this time, they called me and Detective David Stubbs and asked me to come to the premises to help search for JJ.
  11. Shortly after calling me, Detective Hermosillo called me again and indicated that he saw Daybell driving black Chevrolet Equinox away from the residence. Detective Hermosillo stopped Daybell and asked him again if he had seen JJ. Chad responded that the last time he had seen JJ was in apartment #107 in October. He also admitted he knew Vallow’s phone number and provided it to Detective Hermosillo.
  12. On that same day, myself and Detective Stubbs located and spoke with Vallow in her apartment, #175. We identified ourselves as RPD officers. Vallow told us that JJ was in Gilbert, Arizona with friend named Melanie Gibb. We obtained Gibb’s phone number from Vallow. This encounter was recorded on body-cam. We ended our contact with Vallow and immediately attempted to call Gibb. We were unable to contact or speak with her at that time. Vallow also informed RPD that Tylee was attending BYU-Idaho and living with Vallow.
  13. Because Detective Stubbs and I were unable to contact Gibb we immediately contacted Vallow again and we requested that she call Gibb. At this time Vallow told us that Gibb and JJ were at the movie “Frozen 2” so it was unlikely Gibb would answer the phone. We instructed Vallow to call Gibb and have Gibb contact us so we could verify the location of JJ.
  14. By the evening of November 26, 2019, we had still not heard from Gibb, so RPD informed Detective Ryan Pillar of the Gilbert Police Department of the information we had received regarding the children being with Gibb. Detective Hermosillo was informed later that evening around 9:30 p.m. that Gilbert Police went to the home of Gibb. Gibb was not home but Detective Pillar contacted her by phone and she stated that JJ was not staying at her Arizona house and had not been there for several months.
  15. On December 6, 2019, Detective Hermosillo was contacted by Gibb and she informed us that both Daybell and Vallow called Gibb on November 26, 2019 at separate times. She was contacted first by Daybell who told her that she would probably be contacted by the police in regards to JJ’s location and he then asked her to not answer the call. Gibb informed RPD that she was confused by this request because she had been told by Vallow in late September or early October that JJ was living with Kay Woodcock, who is JJ’s grandmother. Gibb asked Daybell if JJ was living with Kay and he told her that JJ was not with Kay.
  16. Gibb was soon thereafter contacted by Vallow on her phone. Vallow asked Gibb to tell the police that she had JJ and asked Gibb to tell the police that she had taken JJ to the movie “Frozen, 2.” Vallow further asked Gibb to take picture of some children in manner that would make it appear that Gibb had JJ with her and to send that picture to the police. Gibb informed Vallow that she would not lie to the police and Gibb did not comply with Vallow’s request.
  17. Gibb first met Vallow in the fall of 2018. Gibb introduced Vallow to Daybell in St. George Utah at “Preparing People” conference.
  18. In early 2019, Gibb was present with Vallow during telephone conversation between Vallow and Daybell. This conversation was in response to “Vision” of Vallow that her husband Charles Vallow and her son JJ were going to die in car accident by January or of 2019, Which did not happen. During and after the conversation, Vallow told Gibb that Daybell had informed her that while Charles had not physically died in an accident, his spirit had left his body and been replaced by another spirit which was dark spirit. The dark spirit was named Ned Schneider.
  19. Gibb has informed law enforcement that the word “zombie” was introduced weeks after the initial conversation to describe an individual whose spirit has left their body and been replaced by another spirit. The new spirit inhabiting person’s, or “zombie’s” body was always “dark spirit.”
  20. At some point after Gibb first learned this doctrine from Vallow and Daybell, she was informed by Vallow and Daybell that they believed it was their mission to rid the world of zombies. When Vallow initially spoke to Gibb about getting rid of zombies she spoke about saying prayers to remove dark spirits from the human bodies they had inhabited. This information has been corroborated by electronic communications made by Vallow and Daybell.
  21. After the death of Daybell’s Wife on October 19, 2019, Gibb was informed by Vallow that when a person became “zombie,” their original spirit left their body and entered “limbo” and is trapped and cannot progress to “paradise.” Vallow then informed Gibb that for the person’s original spirit to be freed from limbo the person’s physical body had to die. Despite the teaching that physical body needed to die, Gibb reports she was never told by Vallow or Daybell that they planned to carry out physical killing themselves. At the time Gibb was told this information by Vallow, she was still under the belief that JJ was with his grandma Kay Woodcock and that Tylee was at BYU-Idaho.
  22. Melani Gibb has further informed RPD that sometime in the spring of 2019, before the death of Charles Vallow, that Lori Vallow called Tylee zombie. Gibb was on the phone with Lori and heard Lori call Tylee zombie to which Tylee responded “not me, mom.” (Upon the unsealing of my probable cause affidavit in State V. Daybell CR22-20-0755, Gibb spoke with me and clarified that Lori herself told Gibb that Tylee responded to being called zombie by saying “not me, mom.” Gibb did not hear Tylee say these words herself.) This arose out of Lori requiring Tylee to babysit JJ and Tylee did not want to. Lori Vallow also told Gibb that Tylee had turned into zombie When she was 12 or 13, which was approximately the same time Tylee had become “difficult” to deal with.
  23. Gibb has further informed me that she was told by Daybell and Vallow that they held the religious belief that they were part of the “Church of the Firstborn” and their mission in that Church was to lead the “144,000” mentioned in the Book of Revelation.
  24. On January 26, 2020, search warrant was served on Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow in Kauai, Hawaii where they were living and on their vehicle. The children were not found with Chad and Lori in Hawaii and no evidence was found to suggest they were living with Chad and Lori.
  25. Through this investigation, we have discovered that JJ Vallow was registered at Kennedy Elementary School in Rexburg, the first week of September, 2019. Kennedy School was informed that JJ had an individual education plan, (IEP) due to his autism. Kennedy Elementary was in the process of creating new IEP for JJ. On September 23, 2019, JJ had an unexcused absence. (It should be noted that originally in our investigation we believed that JJ was in school on September 23rd, but upon review of his school records we found that he was not and had the unexcused absence.) On September 24,2020, Lori Vallow called Vickie Barton of the Madison School District and informed her that JJ was going to Louisiana with his grandparents and wouldn’t be home until the end of October or maybe later. On October 29, Madison School District records indicate that JJ would be homeschooled. During searches of Vallow’s apartment in Rexburg and subsequent searches of her apartment in Kauai, no homeschooling materials were ever found.
  26. As mentioned, the last verifiable sighting of Tylee was in Yellowstone National Park on September 8, 2019. Photographs establish she was there with her mother Lori Vallow, her brother JJ Vallow, and her uncle Alex Cox. They drove there in Alex’s silver Ford F150. This trip was further established by tracking the GPS, cell tower connections, and Google account information on Alex Cox’s phone.
  27. The Cellular Analysis Survey Team (hereinafter CAST), is an FBI unit that provides analyses of cellphone records and presents the information to law enforcement. CAST has analyzed Alex Cox’s phone and provided the location information mentioned in paragraph 25. The CAST analysis provides the location of Cox’s phone. Due to my training and experience and common knowledge am aware that most individuals now keep their cellphones with them at all times and the location of an individual’s phone can be used to establish the location of the owner of the phone. CAST uses cellular devices’ GPS data points, cell tower connections, wi-fi connections, and Google tracking information to establish the location of cell phone. The GPS data points used by CAST are considered to be highly accurate and can place the device within meter radius.
  28. CAST has further informed law enforcement that Cox’s phone exited the west entrance of Yellowstone National Park at 18:40. His phone appeared to be at Buckaroo’s BBQ grill in West Yellowstone, Montana from 18:45 to 19:02. Cox then returned to Rexburg, Madison County Idaho, at approximately 20:37. The phone was then at Lori’s Apartment number 175 until 21:35, at which time, Cox appeared to go to the Maverick on Main Street in Rexburg at 21:43 until 21:53. Cox then went back to Lori’s apartment from 22:44 to 23:15. At 23:44 Cox’s phone is located at his residence in Apartment 107.
  29. On Monday, September 9, from 00:00 (12 am.) and 00:44 Cox’s phone was located at his apartment (107.) However, at 02:42 (2:42 am.) to 03:37 (3:37 am.) Cox is located again at Vallow’s apartment (175) where Vallow lived with Tylee and JJ. This is significant, not only because he is there in the middle of the night, but also because this is the only time in September he appears to go over to Vallow’s apartment between midnight and a.m.
  30. At 04:37, Cox went back to his own apartment, unit 107, until 08:59. At 09:21 he was located ata property with the address 202 1900 E, Rexburg, which is the residence of Daybell. (It should be noted that while Chad Daybell’s address is listed as Rexburg, it is actually located in Fremont County, Idaho.) The 09:21 reading is GPS data point and places him behind the home on Daybell’s property east of the barn.
  31. Cox’s phone was still at the Daybell residence at 10:39. At 10:47, his phone shows a hit at the City of St. Anthony. At this time, we are unable to tell if he was actually inside the city limits of St. Anthony, (St. Anthony is about 5-minute drive from the Daybell residence) or if this was cell tower ping on his phone while he was still at the Daybell residence. At 10:57 to 11:39 Cox is located at the Daybell property. At 11:52 to 12:02 he was at Dell Taco in Rexburg. He appears to spend most of the rest of the day in his apartment.
  32. Through this investigation, the Rexburg Police Department and FBI have seized, searched, and analyzed multiple cellular devices pursuant to search warrants. On June 1, 2020, I was informed by Special Agent Ricky Wright of the FBI that the FBI had been examining a phone believed to be owned by Tamara (Tammy) Daybell. The FBI found a text conversation between Tammy and Daybell on September 9, 2019, which is the day after the last known sighting of Tylee in Yellowstone National Park.
  33. That text conversation reads as follows:
a. Daybell to Tammy at 11:53 am: “Well, I've had an interesting morning! I felt should burn all of the limb debris by the fire pit before it got too soaked by the coming storms. While I did so, I spotted big racoon along the fence. hurried and got my gun, and he was still walking along. I got close enough that one shot did the trick. He is now in our pet cemetery. Fun times!”
b. Daybell to Tammy at 11:56: “Gonna shower now and then go write for while at BYU. Love you!”
c. Tammy to Daybell at 2:47 pm: “Good for you!”
d. Daybell to Tammy at 2:48 pm: “I’m back home now.”
  1. I found the text suspicious because raccoons are normally nocturnal animals and are not regularly out during the day. Matt and Reegan P., Daybell’s neighbors, have informed law enforcement that Daybell’s son Garth told them that Daybell had shot a raccoon sometime between July and August of 2019 during the day. Garth told Matt Price about the raccoon in response to a question from Matt about hearing a gunshot. The P.'s informed me that the fire pit in the back of the Daybell property was hardly ever used until the last few months. Reegan informed me that there appeared to be frequent bonfires in the pit on the Daybell property over the last few months and the first one she noticed was soon after Tammy’s death on October 19, 2019.
  2. On June 2, 2020, Detective Bruce Mattingly of the Fremont County Sheriff Office contacted Samantha Gwilliam, who is the sister of Tammy Daybell. He asked her if she was aware of a pet cemetery on the Daybell’s propeny in Idaho. She informed him that she was aware of the pet cemetery and stated that both she and Tammy were pet people and that they had both had pet cemeteries. When asked the location of the pet cemetery on the Daybell property she stated that it was east of the red barn and near the fire pit. On June 4, 2020, I spoke with Samantha and she informed me that she was aware of the location of the pet cemetery on the Daybell property because Tammy had shown it to her. Samantha was then shown an aerial photograph of the Daybell property and she pointed to the same area near the fire pit where Alex Cox’s phone pinged on September 9, 2019.
  3. The above facts establish that Alex Cox appeared to be at the Daybell property on September 9, 201 9, until at least 11:39. Chad sent the text to Tammy about burning debris and shooting and burying the raccoon in the pet cemetery only 14 minutes later at 11:53. The pet cemetery referenced by Chad Daybell is located at the same location as most of the pings on Alex Cox’s phone on September 9, 2019.
  4. On June 3, 2020, again interviewed Gibb and her boyfriend David Warwick in Pleasant Grove Utah. We discussed in depth the weekend of September 22 and 23, 2019, due to the fact that both Gibb and Warwick stayed at Lori Vallow’s residence in Rexburg that weekend. Gibb informed me (consistent with information she has previously given to law enforcement) that she arrived in Rexburg on September 19, 2019. Soon after she arrived Lori Vallow informed Gibb that JJ had become a “zombie” and pointed out behaviors such as sitting still and watching tv, claiming JJ said he loved Satan, and an increased vocabulary as evidence that JJ was now a zombie. Gibb observed JJ’s behavior and felt it to be the same as she had always observed it.
  5. The last time Gibb and Warwick verifiably saw JJ was the night of September 22, 2019. Warwick informed us that it was late and that Gibb, Vallow and Warwick were going to do podcast. Warwick said that Vallow told him that JJ was acting up and so Cox took JJ to his apartment in the complex. When Cox returned later that night he was carrying JJ who appeared to be asleep with his head on Cox’s shoulder. Warwick specifically remembered this because he saw it as a tender moment.
  6. Warwick further informed us that when he woke up the morning of September 23, 2019, he asked Vallow where JJ was. This was between and am. Vallow informed Warwick and Gibb that JJ had been acting like a zombie and had been crawling on the kitchen cabinetry and had gotten on top of the cabinetry in the space between the cabinetry and the ceiling. She informed Warwick and Gibb that when JJ had climbed upon the cabinetry that he had knocked picture of Jesus off the refrigerator. Vallow then informed Warwick and Gibb that Cox had come and taken JJ. At no time during this interaction with Vallow did Gibb or Warwick believe that JJ was in danger. Vallow had not said anything about harming JJ or having Cox harm JJ.
  7. Approximately one week after Gibb’s September visit to Rexburg, Vallow informed Gibb that she had arranged for JJ to go live with his grandma, Kay Woodcock. Vallow further told Gibb she had told Kay that she had cancer in order to convince Kay Woodcock to take JJ. Vallow further elaborated to Gibb that she had traveled with JJ and handed him off to Kay in an airport.
  8. The FBI CAST team has analyzed Alex Cox’s movements the morning of September 23, 2019 by his cellphone GPS. At 09:55 Alex is again on Chad Daybell’s property. He was there until 10:12. The pings on his phone locate Alex near the pond on Chad’s property at the northern edge of his property. Chad Daybell’s property is located in Salem, Idaho in Fremont County.
  9. On June 3, 2020 asked Special Agent Ricky Wright of the FBI to analyze the frequency of Alex Cox’s visits to Chad Daybell’s property during the month of September 2019. His response was:
a. “Per your request, I checked the visits by Alex to Chad’s house again. There were only four visits by Alex during the month of Sept. These were on 9/6 (1241 - 1253), 9/9, 9/23, and 9/25 (1005 - 1022). During the two visits on 9/6 and 9/25, all the pings were in and around the house, and there were no pings anywhere in the backyard near the firepit or pond. As you can see, these visits were also short, about 11 minutes and 17 minutes, like the one on 9/23 (17 minutes). The visit on 9/9 was the only long visit, approximately 2.5 hours.
  1. On June 9, 2020 a search warrant was executed at Daybell’s residence and property. With the assistance of local FBI ERT team we located at multiple sites of interest. These sites were identified and corresponded to the cellular data of Alex Cox’s phone when he was on the property, mentioned in paragraphs 12-16.
  2. Additionally, one of the possible sites correlated to a location on the property Chad had texted his wife about, mentioned in paragraphs 17 and 18.
  3. The first site of interest was located on the north side of the pond near the north edge of the property. This site corresponded with the two GPS pings from Alex Cox’s phone on September 23, 2019. A patch of ground was located that appeared to be disturbed. The weed growth on top of the disturbed ground was shorter than the surrounding weed growth. What appeared to be sod etching was also noticed. The disturbed area was approximately feet by 2.5 feet.
  4. Members of the FBI ERT team removed the top layer of sod. Underneath the layer of sod were several large flat rocks. The rocks were removed and two pieces of flat paneling were found. The paneling was removed and investigators exposed a round object covered in black plastic. (Similar paneling was found in barn located on the property.)
  5. Upon exposing the round object covered in black plastic a strong odor was noticed. FBI ERT member used small sharp instrument and made a small incision in the plastic and a layer of white plastic was observed. An incision was made into the white layer of plastic exposing what appeared to be human remains, the crown of head covered in light brown hair.
  6. The remaining dirt around this object was methodically removed, exposing what appeared to be a body wrapped in black plastic. The plastic appeared to be tightly wrapped around the body and secured with gray duct tape.
  7. Cheryl Anderson, associate professor of anthropology at Boise State University, was present on scene and advised the remains found near the pond appeared to be human.
  8. As noted above, the GPS on Alex Cox’s phone pinged twice on September 23, 2019 near the first site where human remains were found. The GPS records indicate that Cox was at that location for a total of 17 minutes on September 23, 2019. Due to the depth and width of the “grave” the body was located in, and the rocks and paneling found in the grave, it would be impossible for one person to have dug that grave, placed a body in it, placed the rocks and paneling in the grave, and covered it back up in 17 minutes.
  9. A second site of interest was located behind red unattached out building located roughly in the center of the property near fire pit. Next to the fire pit is an area used as pet cemetery. This site correlated to several GPS pings of Alex Cox’s phone on September 9, 2019.
  10. Ground in this area was probed with steel pole and several areas of disturbed ground were located. During search of this ground, buried cat and dog remains were found. No raccoon remains were located. A backhoe was used to dig further layers of dirt. While doing this, bricks were located approximately foot below the ground.
  11. Once the bricks were discovered the soil was examined and what appeared to be two bones were located. Based on the condition of the first bones found, Cheryl Anderson was not able to determine whether the bones were human.
  12. Methodically, the dirt in this area was searched and several other items of interest were found including other bones, charred tissue and charred bones. Cheryl Anderson indicated these additional bones, both charred and un-charred, and tissue found were human remains.
  13. Investigators provided photos of some of the partial remains that were found at the pet cemetery to Sara Getz, Ph.D., forensic anthropologist. Dr. Getz was able to identify those remains as being non-adult human remains.
  14. Around the time the head mentioned in paragraphs 44 through 50 was discovered, Chad Daybell was observed leaving his daughter’s residence in grey SUV. I and other officers pursued him in police vehicles, conducted a traffic stop and detained him due to the fact that human remains were discovered on his property.
  15. On June 11, 2020, observed the autopsy of the body described in paragraphs 44-50. The body had not yet been removed from the plastic covering it was found in. As the body was uncovered and the face exposed it was clear to me that this was the body of JJ Vallow. The body was well preserved. While I had never met JJ Vallow during his life, I was familiar with his face due to seeing many pictures and videos of him. I was further familiar with his haircut in the pictures I had seen of him in Yellowstone, which was shaved on the sides and back and longer on top. JJ was further identified by Brandon Boudreaux, who was shown an autopsy photograph of the body and face and was able to verify the remains were JJ.
  16. On June 11, 2020, I also observed the autopsy of the human remains described in paragraphs 44 - 55. It was not possible to identify those remains by simply looking at them as they were too damaged by fire and dismemberment and no longer had any recognizable features. However, Dr. Glen Smith, an orthodontist and Deputy Coroner in the Ada County Coroner’s Office was able to identify these remains as belonging to Tylee Ryan by matching an irregular jawline with an X-ray of Tylee when she was alive. Despite identifying Tylee, law enforcement was advised that it would still be wise to obtain DNA verification. We were informed that sufficient soft tissue existed which was not burnt that we would be able to test the DNA. We are in the process of having said tests performed.
  17. On January 16, 2020, a Child Protection Action was filed by the State of Idaho in Madison County on behalf of JJ and Tylee. The case number is CV33-20-0045. The Court ordered Vallow to produce JJ and Tylee within days of service of the order to the Rexburg Police Department or the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare in Rexburg. Vallow was served that order on Saturday, January 25, 2020, by Detective Chad Cataluna of the Kauai Police Department. Vallow refused to produce the children and never complied with the order of the Court.
  18. Alex Cox died on December 12, 2019 in Maricopa County, Arizona. His death has been ruled to have been caused by natural causes.
  19. Due to the facts listed in this affidavit, probable cause exists that Chad Daybell, Lori Vallow, and Alex Cox conspired to commit the crime of concealing and destroying/altering evidence they knew would be produced, used, or discovered as evidence in trial, proceeding, inquiry or investigation involving a felony.
  20. Chad Daybell performed at least the following overt acts in furtherance of the aforementioned conspiracy:
a. Texted Tammy Daybell and told her about burning debris and burying a dead raccoon in the pet cemetery on September 9, 2019. b. Deceptively acted as if he did not know Vallow very well and did not know Vallow’s phone number when questioned by the Rexburg Police on November 26, 2019, despite the fact they were married at that time.
  1. Alex Cox performed at least the following overt acts in furtherance of the aforementioned conspiracy:
a. Told Rexburg Police on or about November 26, 2019 that JJ was with his grandma Kay Woodcock in Louisiana.b. Transported JJ Vallow from Madison County, Idaho to Chad Daybell’s property in Fremont County on September 23, 2019.
  1. Lori Vallow performed at least the following overt acts in furtherance of the aforementioned conspiracy:
a. Telephoned Melanie Gibb and asked her to lie to the police about the location of JJ.b. Asked Gibb to create false evidence of JJ’s existence and location.c. Falsely informed the Rexburg Police that JJ was in Arizona with Melani Gibb.d. Falsely informed the Rexburg Police Department that Tylee was attending BYU-Idaho and living with Vallow.e. Refused to produce the children to the Rexburg Police or the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare as required by Court Order.
Further your affiant sayeth not. DATED this 29th day of June, 2020.
View and download the affidavit yourself here
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2020.06.21 15:04 portlane Lisa Schrock (September 13, 1964 - June 13, 2020)

LISA CLAIR (WOODS) SCHROCK
September 13, 1964 - June 13, 2020
Lisa Clair (Woods) Schrock, of Ridgefield, Washington, passed away quietly on June 13th, 2020, with her husband John at her side. She suffered from Lupus for many years and most recently was diagnosed with Myelodysplastic Syndrome. A case of severe sepsis took her in the end. She was 55.
Lisa was born in Boise, Idaho and her family moved to California when she was very young. She attended high school at Foothill High in Pleasanton, California and was a proud member of the Foothill High Marching Band. After high school she went to Fresno State University to chase her dream of becoming a Veterinarian. Unfortunately, she could not continue with college after being severely injured in a car accident. She started working as a veterinary technician in Pleasanton and continued in that occupation for three years. Lisa became interested in aviation and began taking flying lessons and made her first solo flight in an Aeronca Champ. She made many friends at the Livermore airport; among them were Air Traffic Controllers who urged her to take the initial test to become a controller. She passed the test and was hired soon thereafter. After graduation from the FAA Academy she was assigned to Livermore Control Tower where she quickly achieved full certification. After a few years at Livermore she was offered a promotion to Oakland Towers in Oakland California. There she served as an air traffic controller, quality assurance specialist, training specialist, and for a short time was assigned to Livermore Tower as the air traffic manager.
Lisa also met her husband John at Oakland, and they were married in Yosemite National Park in 1997. They transferred to the Portland, Oregon, Control Tower where Lisa worked as the FAA air traffic quality assurance specialist covering the state of Oregon. Lisa’s declining health forced her to leave the FAA in 2001.
Lisa was a deeply optimistic woman, a pillar of strength and courage. She had a ready laugh and never complained, even when the burden was heavy. Her bright smile and warm heart brought joy to all around her.
Lisa enjoyed camping in their Airstream trailer (with full hookups), caring for her pets, cooking, and staying in touch with friends and family, who will miss her profoundly.
Her stepfather, Roy Nelson, preceded her in death.
Lisa is survived by her mother, Carlene Nelson; husband, John; sisters, Gayle (Bruce) Freeman, Leeanne (Joseph) Coquia; stepbrother, Arjay (Renee) Nelson; and many nieces and nephews.
A memorial service is planned and will happen at a later date.
In lieu of flowers, it is asked that a contribution be made to the ASPCA.
Please sign her guest book @ www.columbian.com/obits
source: http://obits.columbian.com/obituaries/columbian/obituary.aspx?n=lisa-clair-schrock&pid=196372602
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2020.06.21 08:17 Defying_Gravitas Chad heads south on September 19, 2019

Oddly enough, Chad left town on the same day that friend Melanie Gibb was arriving. Which turned out to be the same weekend that JJ was killed and almost immediately buried on Chad's property. The coincidences never stop with these people. But what are we missing?
   
   
Background info:
   
   
September 19, 2019, a Thursday
Chad Daybell departs on a flight from Idaho Falls to Mesa, AZ. His seatmate says Daybell told her he planned to help a relative in the Valley who needed to remodel her home. She reports, “He said, 'I hope we can get this work done in the time that I have before I have to be back.'”
Meanwhile in Rexburg, Lori hires a babysitter for JJ so that she and Alex can go to the airport to pick up a podcast friend (presumably Melanie Gibb).
For reference, the Idaho Falls airport is 28 minutes from Pioneer Rd in Rexburg, according to Google Maps.
   
   
What we don't know:
  • What was the true purpose of Chad’s trip? (Rumors in the comment section below and in the comment section of the LVD Rumor Containment Unit indicate Chad may have been helping Zulema heal Jason Mow's energy problems.)
  • How did Chad get to the departing airport, and at what time?
  • Was it the same airport where friend Mel G was arriving? *Update: Yes, according to the nanny.
  • Did Chad’s path cross with Lori's on this day?
  • Who might Chad know in The Valley area?
  • How did Chad get from the airport to his destination in The Valley area?
  • Where was Chad staying?
  • What did Tammy believe Chad was doing at this time?
  • When did Chad return to Idaho? Because didn't friend Mel G mention walking with Chad and Lori at the BYU track during that visit here
  • How did Chad get from the airport to his house?
  • If Alex already had a townhouse there, and Lori already had him caring for JJ independently as evidenced later that weekend, why did they need to hire a sitter?
  • Why did both Lori AND Alex need to go to the airport?
  • How does David Warwick factor into all this?
  • Was there a prepper conference in the area that weekend? (It appears Jason Mow was speaking at a 'Warrior Ethos' gathering five hours away in Montana that weekend, one of three consecutive speaking engagements in three days' time, according to his facebook post.)
  • Was anybody else there or unaccounted for?
   
   
Things that have NOT happened as of September 19
  • JJ's death and burial (Sep 22? 23?)
  • Alex spends 17 minutes at the Daybell property (Sep 23)
  • JJ’s last day of school is an excused absence (Sep 23, a Monday)
  • JJ is unenrolled/withdrawn from Kennedy Elementary, sight unseen (Sep 24)
  • Alex spends 17 minutes at the Daybell property (Sep 25)
  • Lori rents a 10' by 10' storage unit under the name Lori Ryan at Storage Plus in Rexburg (Oct 1)
  • Lori purchases wedding rings from Amazon (Oct 2)
  • Lori and Chad store the Jeep seat and tire in the storage unit using Lori's blue Nissan Rogue in Rexburg at 2:25 P.M. (Oct 2)
  • Brandon's neighbor in AZ notices a Jeep parked in an odd position outside of Brandon's house for several hours. (Oct 2)
  • Brandon is shot at by a man described as Alex using a gun with a silencer in a Jeep registered to the late Charles Vallow in AZ at approx 9:15 A.M. (Oct 2)
  • Brandon's neighbor hears a loud sound and then sees the Jeep immediately leave the scene. AZ (Oct 2)
  • Lori and Alex use Lori's blue Nissan Rogue to retrieve the Jeep seat and tire from storage unit in Rexburg at 2:11 P.M. (Oct 3)
  • Lori browses wedding dresses online (Oct 3)
  • The Boudreaux family house is sold for $895,000 in AZ (Oct 3) *newly updated
  • Brandon hires a Private Investigator (Oct ?)
  • While doing yardwork, Chad gets a visit from deceased Grandma Cooper urging Tammy to visit her parents (Oct 3)
  • Tammy embarks alone to Springville, UT, has dinner with her parents, and spends night at her sister's house. (Oct 4)
  • Tammy drives back to Rexburg, ID at 9am (Oct 5)
  • Alex Cox visits the storage unit alone (Oct 6)
  • Brandon moves to American Fork/concealed location in UT (Oct ?)
  • Tammy is shot at in her driveway by a masked man w/ a "paintball gun" in Rexburg, ID (Oct 9)
  • Chad buys a ski mask and rope at Cabela’s in Idaho Falls (Oct 12) [RUMOR, NOT CONFIRMED]
  • Niece Melani notifies Brandon via text message of her intent to move to "Boise" (Oct 14)
  • A man makes a 6-minute visit to Lori's storage unit (Oct 16)
  • Brandon files for an emergency custody hearing in AZ (Oct 18)
  • Tammy dies in her sleep in Rexburg, ID; family declines autopsy (Oct 19)
  • Tammy is buried in Springville, UT (Oct 22)
  • A man (likely Alex) makes a 9-minute visit to Lori's storage unit (Oct 22)
  • Tammy has a memorial service in Rexburg (Oct 23)
  • Lori hosts Chad's family over to enjoy cookies and comfort at her townhouse. (Oct ?)
  • Niece Melani skips the temporary custody hearing AZ (Oct 22? 23?)
  • Boudreaux “Consented Decree" is finalized (filed Oct 22, docket Oct 28)
  • A man makes a 10-minute visit to Lori's storage unit (Oct 25)
  • A man makes an 11-minute visit to Lori's storage unit. (Oct 26)
  • Two men (likely Alex Cox and Chad Daybell) visit Lori's storage unit. During their 6-minute stay, they drop off bikes and other items (Oct 28)
  • Niece Melani's lease for Unit 174 is signed. It does not have the markers indicating it was signed electronically via DocuSign, ZipForms, or DotLoop, so potentially it was signed in person. (Oct 28)
  • Niece Melani and Alex fly from Idaho Fallas to Mesa, AZ, boarding Allegiant flight 531 at 3:29 P.M. (Oct 31)
  • A U-haul reservation is made under Alex's name. Destination: BYU Student Housing. (Oct ?)
  • Niece Melani places her kids' belongings on the curb in AZ. Packs for move to ID with help from Alex (Oct 31)
  • Niece Melani and Alex drive from AZ to Unit 174 in Rexburg, ID (Nov 1)
  • Gilbert PD requests surveillance of Lori in Rexburg, ID (Nov 1)
  • Chad receives an [alleged] sum of $430k in life insurance from Tammy's death (Oct/Nov)
  • Lori and Chad marry in Hawaii (Nov 5)
  • Lori and Chad meet with potential landlord, offer to rent master bedroom in Hawaii (Nov 7)
  • Chad sends an email to a real estate agent in Hawaii-- "clean couple, no pets or children" (Nov 8)
  • Niece Melani trespasses in American Fork, UT at 6pm (Nov 12, with Alex)
  • Niece Melani trespasses in American Fork, UT again, this time at 10:30pm and gets arrested. Luckily her driver, Alex, pays her bail (Nov 14)
  • Niece Melani meets Ian Pawlowski on a dating app, Rexburg, ID (Nov 20ish)
  • Lori and a man make the final visit to her storage unit. During their 4-minute stay, they drop off a box of memorabilia for Tylee and JJ and a tote of clothing (Nov 24)
  • Police visit the townhouses at Pioneer Rd to do a welfare check on JJ and are directed by Alex from Lori's unit 175 over to Alex's vacant unit, 107. Meanwhile, Chad tries to dip out. When stopped by police, he pretends to be unfamiliar wih Lori and the fam. Makes no mention of being her HUSBAND. (Nov 26)
  • Both Chad and Lori call friend Melanie Gibb and ask her to lie to police and claim JJ is with her in Arizona (Nov 26)
  • Police return with a warrant, to search Lori's townhouse but they're too late. Lori and Chad have already left town. (Nov 27)
  • Police search the storage unit (Nov 27)
  • Police in AZ arrive at Colby's home to ask about the whereabouts of the kids (Nov 27)
  • Niece Melani receives a call/text that someone has broken into her Rexburg townhouse. Oh well. She'll call them back later. Tomorrow, maybe. (Nov 27?)
  • Niece Melani joins Ian in Arizona for Thanksgiving (Nov 28? earlier?)
  • Chad and his family [allegedly] spend Thanksgiving weekend in Southern California, traveling by way of the Salt Lake City airport. Social media pictures indicate a visit to Knott's Berry Farm, a favorite Cox Family vacation destination. It is unclear if Lori is with the Daybells at this time (Nov 28 - Dec 1)
  • Lori emails friend Melanie Gibb the photos from her November 5th beach wedding, according to the now-infamous Reddit Zombie Email (Nov 29)
  • Alex marries Zulema around 11 P.M. in Las Vegas, NV and takes his bride's last name, Pastenes.(Nov 29)
  • Niece Melani marries Ian Pawlowski around 5:30 P.M. in Las Vegas, NV, taking her groom's last name. (Nov 30)
  • Now blissfully entwined in holy matrimony, Melani opens up to Ian about her religious beliefs which Ian thoughtfully types up on his laptop and later generously loans to his ex-wife. (Nov 30)
  • Lori and Chad fly on American Airlines from Los Angeles to Kauai (Dec 1)
  • Natalie Pawlowski, Ian's ex-wife, is freaked out, and rightfully so. She writes an email to the police. (Dec 4)
  • Friend Melanie Gibb notifies Rexburg PD that both Chad and Lori Daybell had called her on Nov. 26 to ask her to lie about JJ's whereabouts. (Dec 6)
  • Ian and ex-wife Natalie exchange text messages. One text involves niece Melani's knowledge of Brandon's attempted murder. At least one message is dated Dec 8.
  • Tammy Daybell is exhumed from her grave for autopsy. The report has not been released yet as of this edit, 7/6/20. (Dec 11)
  • Newlywed and gunman Alex Cox Pastenes dies unexpectedly at the home of his new bride, and is discovered by her adult son. (Dec 12)
   
   
NOTE The Boudreaux court date information may not be 100%. I obtained it directly from the family court database for Maricopa County, but the entries and language are different from how things are listed in my own state. If you are familiar with how to interpret their database and want me to revise it, just let me know.
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Submission Is it really possible or likely that no one in their families or churches knew anything was wrong and none reported that her kids were not with her and none were in the LEAST BIT worried about anything except for Kay and Larry Woodcock? Timeline of some of the events
Comments Is it really possible or likely that no one in their families or churches knew anything was wrong and none reported that her kids were not with her and none were in the LEAST BIT worried about anything except for Kay and Larry Woodcock? Timeline of some of the events
Author Sandy2065
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Please let me know if i have gotten the dates wrong on things. After i got done researching and posting this i found a much better timeline, more indepth and--with no speculation, by LoriVallow
here: https://www.reddit.com/LoriVallow/comments/gozo11/in_sept_2019_tylee_ryan_age_17_and_jj_vallow_age/
(lol wish i had found it sooner, but i still like my shorter one too because... speculation is fun lol)
October 2018
when lori and Melanie Gibbs met
I was teaching a class at church when I met Lori October 2018, she introduced herself and told me about her spiritual experiences. Melanie had first met him earlier at first met at a conference…maybe at camp in ogden Utah, northern Utah. from Melanie Gibbs interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n173Cv1BWB0

October, November 2018
Q When did Lori meet chad?
Melanie Gibbs:(Lori) she met Chad at an event they went to in St George. October, november 2018, a 2 or 3 day meeting,

November 2018
After spending much time talking those two days we went back to arizona and he came down to arizona when it was the next event, uh which was in November sometime and some of my friends and her friends and chad all got to stay in her house… (charles huge house)
Q was Charles there?
No, he went out of town
During the conference at Lori’s home…they spent time talking about things, they went on a walk, jog together.
He had already shared to Lori at St George that they had already been married multiple times before…not in this right now earth life, in multiple earth lives..
Q Did lori have a problem with that?
No she seemed to already understand that teaching already, that she had learned in podcasts so it wasn’t something that was…
Nate: foreign
Foreign, right
Q did you think, she might be falling in love with him?
Yeah I knew..
Q did you say anything to Lori…
I did offer the idea…why don’t you just go ahead and get a divorce? And they were told they werent allowed to…something that they received through the other side of the vail..how..they would speak about it. u/13:23 mins
from Melanie Gibbs interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n173Cv1BWB0
January 31, 2019
Charles Vallow contacts police to get a mental health eval of Lori The video was taken on the afternoon of January 31, 2019.
“Bodycam video taken in January 2019 At the time, the issue was over a purse allegedly stolen by Vallow’s former husband.
The video was taken on the afternoon of January 31, 2019. Vallow was walking into the Gilbert Police Department with Tylee. Vallow's friend, Melanie Gibb, was also present.”
The interview happened just days before Charles filed for divorce, accusing Vallow of draining their bank account of $35,000.
"He's mad because I took the money out of our account, but it’s a joint account so he wants me to give him money," said Vallow,
The police report says Charles told officers that Vallow changed the locks to their home, so he forced his way in earlier that morning to learn his wife moved out with their kids.”
“Vallow, Tylee and Melanie leave eventually leave and officers call Charles, telling him he could be charged with theft.”
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/bodycam-shows-gilbert-police-interview-lori-vallow-after-husband-tried-to-get-her-mentally-evaluated
So, i know Melanie Gibbs was painted in a nice mormon light and everything by Nate the Mormon reporter but can we just all admit that she knew that Lori was having an affair with Chad and said nothing to the police when Lori Vallow told a bunch of lies while she and the police were all sitting there saying Charles Vallow was the one with the problems? Melanie Gibbs drove Lori to the evaluation. And was in the police interview taped??? And listened to Lori spin the yarn that Charles was having an affair and said nothing to the officer that it was Lori that was having an affair??? I didnt hear "I really made a mistake by concealing things from the police, I really screwed up by backing Lori all the time and never saying anything, what we heard was more like: i waited to say anything until i got interviewed by Nate so i could tell it all in a favorable light. No shame, no saying sorry, no apologies which Charles Vallows children would probably really appreciate after Lori and MormonMurders slandered their murdered fathers name all these years!! ARGH! Forgive her? yes, i do forgive her, but excuse and justify, and whitewash everything? no way!
January 31 2018
Gilbert police body camera video of Charles Vallow with police trying to get back into his home after Lori Vallow drained their account and locked him out. https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/missing_idaho_kids/gilbert-police-release-body-camera-video-of-charles-vallow-months-before-his-death/article_b07338c2-9a3c-11ea-8539-1795ca4cf608.html

July 11 2019
Charles Vallow is shot to death by Alex Cox.
The now deceased Charles Vallow seems to be the only other person that ever contacted police out of concern over her behavior or concern for the welfare of the children.
Not one member of the LDS church reported anything amiss ever! No one at the pool party said anything to police or anyone else publicly… Until Lori was arrested in Hawaii and now since Chad has been arrested it looks more like CYA to me and they’re all hoping no one blames them for at most aiding and abetting and at least massive indifference.
July 11 2019
Lori's Landlord asked her to move out, at least he cared!
"In a Facebook post Sunday, Vallow’s former property manager in Arizona, Joe Pongratz, said he asked Vallow to leave following the death of her husband, Charles Vallow, on July 11 at the property she rented. Pongratz was disturbed by several details surrounding Charles Vallow’s death." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAPxq-tp2Ug&feature=youtu.be

**Lori waits around for Charle's life insurance payout, has agreed to move out of home she rented by Aug 31 2019

September 2019
Lori, Tylee and J.J. move to Rexburg.

September 8 2019
Tylee is seen for the last time.
Tylee, JJ, Alex and Lori went to yellowstone. Rexburg/Salem is on the way back from yellowstone, could they have disposed of Tylee at Chads on the way home? No one in their circle of church or friends or family reports Tylee missing.

September 19-23 2019
Melanie Gibbs visited Lori in Rexburg September 19-23 according to her interview with Nate Eaton. JJ was last seen that day- Sept 23 Gibbs said Lori was telling her JJ had become a zombie and pointed out bizarre behaviors of his that Gibbs said werent bizarre. She was at Lori's home the day that JJ was last seen, who else was there? a nanny for JJ had said she was home when Lori went to pick up her friend at the airport, maybe the nanny was there the day JJ disapeared too. Was Melani Pawlawski there? Was alex there? none of them reported anything that day, none said a word as far as i know until after Lori was arrested. Except we know that when the police went there later on September 26th to do a welfare check on the kids Melanie Gibbs was asked by Lori and Chad to say JJ was with her. She chose to not answer the phone when they called, and then apx a week later said she did let them know Chad/Lori had asked her to lie.
September 23 2019
J.J. is seen at Kennedy Elementary School in Rexburg for the last time.
September 28 2019
Two men, possibly alex and chad on video moving kids bikes into storage unit
End of September
Alex is seen helping Melani B/P putting kids toys, clothing, beds out on the lawn and packing her up
October 2 2019
A drive-by shooting attempt is made on Brandon Boudreaux in Gilbert, Ariz
October 2 2019
what is believed to be Chad Daybell is seen at storage unit grabbing Lori’s ass after storing tire/seat
October 2 2019
Lori buys wedding ring, its delivered October 7 2019 https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/03/what-an-amazon-order-reveals-about-lori-daybells-wedding-ring/

October 9 2019
Tammy Daybell a masked man approached and shot at her several times with a paintball gun, interestingly he runs away to the back of her house, not down the street to an awaiting get away car or anything. https://www.eastidahonews.com/2019/12/tammy-daybell-reported-a-masked-man-shot-at-her-with-a-paintball-gun-10-days-before-her-suspicious-death/
October 16? 2019
Melani Boudreaux decides to leave the kids with Brandon and move away. About two weeks after the shooting, Melani texted Brandon that she had decided to move to Boise, according to court documents. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2019/12/31/gilbert-drive-shooting-tied-idaho-missing-children-brandon-melani-boudreaux-tylee-ryan-joshua-vallow/2769637001/

October 19 2019
Tammy Daybell died at home in Salem Idaho.
October 20 2019
"The day after Tammy’s Daybell died, staff at the school gathered to comfort her daughter, Emma Murray, who teaches at the same school.
“Everyone was having a hard time because it was so sudden,” Fowler said. “Everyone shared a lot of good, happy memories about her. Emma wanted to hear everyone’s happy memories because she said that is what would get her through it.”
"During the visit, Fowler and another friend told KSL that Murray also shared concerns about the state in which they found Tammy Daybell’s body. Murray reportedly shared that Tammy Daybell appeared to have pink foam coming out of her mouth." https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/06/friends-of-tammy-daybell-express-concern-over-her-death/None of them said anything until now??? even after Chad refused and autopsy and Tammy was hurriedly buried, no one said anything even two weeks later when Chad rushed off to marry Lori Vallow in Hawaii? I get that sometimes people are unsure if they should let police or media know something , but even after the children were reported as missing no one said anything? This kind of closed in church society of hush everything up is wrong and dangerous. Jesus said its evil deeds that are kept in darkness but that good deeds are brought to the light. I hope this kind of secrecy stops and people arent intimidated to not say anything.
Also i know the county put out a statement saying it didnt matter if Chad had said he didnt want an autopsy done they would have done one anyway if there were signs of foul play, but just to keep the record straight according to the dispatcher Chad did say he did NOT want an autopsy done. Chad Daybell requested no autopsy per dispatcher https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol6pbeSbjvY

October 22 2019
Tammy Daybell was buried in Springville, Utah

October 2019
Sometime after death of Tammy Daybell Lori took chads grown children cookies according to Melanie Gibbs.
November 5 2019
Chad and Lori are married in Kauai Hawaii
november 12 or 14?
alex and Melani go to Utah and melanie trespasses on Brandons parents property, melani arrested $1,950 bail paid by Alex. Similarly to how the family and some of the church and public responded to allegations about Lori Vallow in the beginning, Melani's family has implied that everything related to Brandon Boudreaux is 'just a custody issue' People online insist that Melani never really said anything about zombies, even though Charles Vallow has said the cult talks about zombies, Melanie Gibbs says they talk about zombies, and Brandon Boudreaux says Melani talked about them too!

November 26 2019
Police go to Lori and Chad's residence at 565 Pioneer Road in Rexburg to conduct a welfare check on J.J. at the request of his grandmother, Kay Vallow Woodcock

November 27 2019
Rexburg police executed search warrants at locations in Rexburg associated with Vallow, in an attempt to locate Joshua. As the search warrants were being executed, investigators determined that Vallow and Daybell had abruptly left their home and Rexburg.

FIRST NEWS RELEASE ABOUT CHILDREN (that I could find online)
December 20 2019
At this point there is massive news beginning to flood the internet and media because the case is so strange. But still no friends or church members or bishops or anyone is reporting anything to the police or media as far as we know. Chad and Lori are members in good standing at their church still, and remain that way at least until Lori was arrested in Hawaii, hey they may both still be members in good standing for all we know!
January 3 2020
search warrant executed at Chad Daybells home.
“Humphries would not say what the sufficient probable cause was that allowed them to get the warrant but said it is related to both the missing children and suspicious death cases.
“It’s all related,” Humphries said.”
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/01/police-conclude-search-at-daybell-home/

January 7 2020
Grandparents of “JJ” Vallow hold news conference, offer $20,000 reward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62YZNJ_N5Ec

January 25, 2020
Law enforcement locate Chad and Lori on the Hawaiian island of Kauai, where they are served with a court order obtained by the Madison County Prosecutor's Office that requires Lori to "physically produce Tylee and J.J. to the Idaho Department of Welfare in Rexburg, Idaho, or to the Rexburg Police within five days of being served with the order." Millions of people around the world are watching this and hoping the children will turn up but the LDS church is silent and none of the people that are now making statements about everything they saw and heard and knew have yet said a word publicly at this point.

January 25 2020
Lori and Chad were served with court documents to produce the children within 5 days.
Jan 26th pulled over and served w/search warrant to search their vehicle and their persons, then eventually let go.
Jan. 25, 2020: Law enforcement locate Chad and Lori on the Hawaiian island of Kauai, where they are served with a court order obtained by the Madison County Prosecutor's Office that requires Lori to "physically produce Tylee and J.J. to the Idaho Department of Welfare in Rexburg, Idaho, or to the Rexburg Police within five days of being served with the order."

January 28 2020 (approximate)
Kay and Larry Woodcock file for temporary guardianship of their grandson J.J.
I wanted to include this because Lori's fans have said that Lori was hiding the kids because of a custody battle, but the custody issue wasnt even raised until 5 months after police began trying to find the kids.

January 30 2020
Lori Vallow fails to comply with court order and does not appear in front of Madison County authorities. Lori Daybell was ordered to produce the children by Jan. 30 or possibly be found in contempt of court.

January 31 2020
Colby Ryan brother of missing Idaho kids speaks out on you tube after the deadline for Lori to show the kids passes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdu4M5PMepQ

February 11 2020
I believe its the same church that said nothing about them being there in Hawaii while the police were looking for them. Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell seen going to church in Hawaii
“The couple has attended worship services at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Kauai for the past two weeks. Members tell East Idaho News they approached ward leaders and said media reports about them are false and one-sided. ABC News aired footage of them walking into a church building Sunday.” previous Sunday is Feb 9
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/02/daybells-attend-church-in-hawaii-abc-news-obtains-beach-wedding-photos/

Feb 12 2020
Dateline shows their episode "where are the children" in Friday’s Dateline at 9/8c. Feb. 12, 2020
From beginning to end-
I find it disturbing that the only interviews people close to people that allegedly committed this horrible crime are only speaking to Mormon reporters and Mormon TV stations. "exclusive interviews" with exclusively mormon journalists makes this all look like everything is still being done in secret and all information carefully filtered through the LDS church so that the churches image is not blemished.
I forgot to mention that the FBI has been involved in this case since November 27 2019 so if any of you church people and people that knew any of the people in this horrible child murder case are inclined to speak up, its a great time to do it, call the police or the FBI and tell them what you know now before it comes out later and you look like you were involved!
November 27 2019
FBI spokeswoman Sandra Yi Barker confirmed... that the FBI is assisting with the case.
“We were contacted by Rexburg Police on Nov. 27,” Barker said. “I won’t get into details but we are offering investigative, forensic and technical assistance in Idaho and Utah. Today, members of our Evidence Response Team are in Rexburg assisting with evidence collection. Our victim specialist has also been made available to the families of Joshua Vallow and Tylee Ryan.”
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/01/police-conclude-search-at-daybell-home/


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Author Jake451
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https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/us/critical-online-comments-put-church-status-at-risk-mormons-say.html
https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/lusk-family-disciplinary-council-verdict-`disfellowship`ment/
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its interesting that Jesus had so many single women following Him and the Apostle Paul wrote about women helping in the ministry and even Philip had daughters that were unmarried and prophets, but LDS, JW's, Calvanists, Southern Baptists, Muslims and even more- all are claiming that women cant do anything or be acceptable to God without a husband... or several husbands lol
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I agree, they don't want to be affiliated in any way. There's a huge Mormon population in South East Idaho, it's hard not to have a Mormon reporter, a Mormon TV station involved in some way. If anything, they are probably annoyed by Nate Eaton, but disfellowshipping or excommunicating a member for doing his job would look very bad.
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2020.06.14 08:33 Sandy2065 Is it really possible or likely that no one in their families or churches knew anything was wrong and none reported that her kids were not with her and none were in the LEAST BIT worried about anything except for Kay and Larry Woodcock? Timeline of some of the events

Please let me know if i have gotten the dates wrong on things. After i got done researching and posting this i found a much better timeline, more indepth and--with no speculation, by LoriVallow
here: https://www.reddit.com/LoriVallow/comments/gozo11/in_sept_2019_tylee_ryan_age_17_and_jj_vallow_age/
(lol wish i had found it sooner, but i still like my shorter one too because... speculation is fun lol)
October 2018
when lori and Melanie Gibbs met
I was teaching a class at church when I met Lori October 2018, she introduced herself and told me about her spiritual experiences. Melanie had first met him earlier at first met at a conference…maybe at camp in ogden Utah, northern Utah. from Melanie Gibbs interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n173Cv1BWB0

October, November 2018
Q When did Lori meet chad?
Melanie Gibbs:(Lori) she met Chad at an event they went to in St George. October, november 2018, a 2 or 3 day meeting,

November 2018
After spending much time talking those two days we went back to arizona and he came down to arizona when it was the next event, uh which was in November sometime and some of my friends and her friends and chad all got to stay in her house… (charles huge house)
Q was Charles there?
No, he went out of town
During the conference at Lori’s home…they spent time talking about things, they went on a walk, jog together.
He had already shared to Lori at St George that they had already been married multiple times before…not in this right now earth life, in multiple earth lives..
Q Did lori have a problem with that?
No she seemed to already understand that teaching already, that she had learned in podcasts so it wasn’t something that was…
Nate: foreign
Foreign, right
Q did you think, she might be falling in love with him?
Yeah I knew..
Q did you say anything to Lori…
I did offer the idea…why don’t you just go ahead and get a divorce? And they were told they werent allowed to…something that they received through the other side of the vail..how..they would speak about it. u/13:23 mins
from Melanie Gibbs interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n173Cv1BWB0
January 31, 2019
Charles Vallow contacts police to get a mental health eval of Lori The video was taken on the afternoon of January 31, 2019.
“Bodycam video taken in January 2019 At the time, the issue was over a purse allegedly stolen by Vallow’s former husband.
The video was taken on the afternoon of January 31, 2019. Vallow was walking into the Gilbert Police Department with Tylee. Vallow's friend, Melanie Gibb, was also present.”
The interview happened just days before Charles filed for divorce, accusing Vallow of draining their bank account of $35,000.
"He's mad because I took the money out of our account, but it’s a joint account so he wants me to give him money," said Vallow,
The police report says Charles told officers that Vallow changed the locks to their home, so he forced his way in earlier that morning to learn his wife moved out with their kids.”
“Vallow, Tylee and Melanie leave eventually leave and officers call Charles, telling him he could be charged with theft.”
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/bodycam-shows-gilbert-police-interview-lori-vallow-after-husband-tried-to-get-her-mentally-evaluated
So, i know Melanie Gibbs was painted in a nice mormon light and everything by Nate the Mormon reporter but can we just all admit that she knew that Lori was having an affair with Chad and said nothing to the police when Lori Vallow told a bunch of lies while she and the police were all sitting there saying Charles Vallow was the one with the problems? Melanie Gibbs drove Lori to the evaluation. And was in the police interview taped??? And listened to Lori spin the yarn that Charles was having an affair and said nothing to the officer that it was Lori that was having an affair??? I didnt hear "I really made a mistake by concealing things from the police, I really screwed up by backing Lori all the time and never saying anything, what we heard was more like: i waited to say anything until i got interviewed by Nate so i could tell it all in a favorable light. No shame, no saying sorry, no apologies which Charles Vallows children would probably really appreciate after Lori and MormonMurders slandered their murdered fathers name all these years!! ARGH! Forgive her? yes, i do forgive her, but excuse and justify, and whitewash everything? no way!
January 31 2018
Gilbert police body camera video of Charles Vallow with police trying to get back into his home after Lori Vallow drained their account and locked him out. https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/missing_idaho_kids/gilbert-police-release-body-camera-video-of-charles-vallow-months-before-his-death/article_b07338c2-9a3c-11ea-8539-1795ca4cf608.html
January 31 2018
From the interview with April in Hawaii Lori told April “a friend & I took the truck...”. I wonder who that friend was...
July 11 2019
Charles Vallow is shot to death by Alex Cox.
The now deceased Charles Vallow seems to be the only other person that ever contacted police out of concern over her behavior or concern for the welfare of the children.
Not one member of the LDS church reported anything amiss ever! No one at the pool party said anything to police or anyone else publicly… Until Lori was arrested in Hawaii and now since Chad has been arrested it looks more like CYA to me and they’re all hoping no one blames them for at most aiding and abetting and at least massive indifference.
July 11 2019
Lori's Landlord asked her to move out, at least he cared!
"In a Facebook post Sunday, Vallow’s former property manager in Arizona, Joe Pongratz, said he asked Vallow to leave following the death of her husband, Charles Vallow, on July 11 at the property she rented. Pongratz was disturbed by several details surrounding Charles Vallow’s death." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAPxq-tp2Ug&feature=youtu.be

**Lori waits around for Charle's life insurance payout, has agreed to move out of home she rented by Aug 31 2019
August 22 2019
On August 22, Sept 7th, and Sept 16, 2019 Chad, Melanie G, and Lori, along with a woman named Kelly, gave a live podcast with the preparing a people organization. You can listen on the Charitable.com website to these episodes. I do not know the location of these podcasts, but found the dates interesting.
Gibb visited on Sept 19. It mentioned it in the credits of Part 2.

September 2019
Lori, Tylee and J.J. move to Rexburg.
September 7 2019
On August 22, Sept 7th, and Sept 16, 2019 Chad, Melanie G, and Lori, along with a woman named Kelly, gave a live podcast with the preparing a people organization. You can listen on the Charitable.com website to these episodes. I do not know the location of these podcasts, but found the dates interesting. Gibb visited on Sept 19. It mentioned it in the credits of Part 2.
September 8 2019
Tylee is seen for the last time.
Tylee, JJ, Alex and Lori went to yellowstone. Rexburg/Salem is on the way back from yellowstone, could they have disposed of Tylee at Chads on the way home? No one in their circle of church or friends or family reports Tylee missing.
September 16 2019
On August 22, Sept 7th, and Sept 16, 2019 Chad, Melanie G, and Lori, along with a woman named Kelly, gave a live podcast with the preparing a people organization. You can listen on the Charitable.com website to these episodes. I do not know the location of these podcasts, but found the dates interesting. Gibb visited on Sept 19. It mentioned it in the credits of Part 2.
September 18-19 2019
Parts of the Nanny statement/transcript: Wednesday, September the 18th quote:
She then mentioned how the next day she needed me to come over for a few hours to watch JJ while she went to the airport to pick up a friend. I told her I was available and could come over. We communicated payment methods, which for her was cash. Usually people I work for use Venmo, but she said the best for her was cash. I then left and returned the next day. My overall impression of her was that she was kind but seemed stressed out being a newly widowed mom alone with her autistic son.
Thursday, September 19, 2019
I returned to their townhome and parked in the back by their garage, where the visitor parking was. I don’t re
member seeing any other cars. When I walked inside, she mentioned how she was waiting for her brother to come and leave with her to the airport. She said she was going to the Idaho Falls airport. She said her brother also lived here in Rexburg. Shortly after this freak out his mom, her brother, and the friend walked in from the garage. The mom calmed JJ and asked me what happened. I explained the situation and she babied him as if he could never do no wrong. It felt a little overwhelming the amount of love she was showing him instead of trying to teach him and calm him. *She introduced her friend to me and said that she does podcasts of some sort. I didn’t see a suitcase, so I don’t think she was staying that long. Lori then thanked me for coming and paid me in cash about $40. etc etc
https://www.scribd.com/document/448822897/Nanny-statement-to-cops-on-Lori-Vallow


September 19-23 2019
Melanie Gibbs visited Lori in Rexburg September 19-23 according to her interview with Nate Eaton. JJ was last seen that day- Sept 23 Gibbs said Lori was telling her JJ had become a zombie and pointed out bizarre behaviors of his that Gibbs said werent bizarre. She was at Lori's home the day that JJ was last seen, who else was there? a nanny for JJ had said she was home when Lori went to pick up her friend at the airport, maybe the nanny was there the day JJ disapeared too. Was Melani Pawlawski there? Was alex there? none of them reported anything that day, none said a word as far as i know until after Lori was arrested. Except we know that when the police went there later on September 26th to do a welfare check on the kids Melanie Gibbs was asked by Lori and Chad to say JJ was with her. She chose to not answer the phone when they called, and then apx a week later said she did let them know Chad/Lori had asked her to lie.
September 23 2019
J.J. is seen at Kennedy Elementary School in Rexburg for the last time.
September 28 2019
Two men, possibly alex and chad on video moving kids bikes into storage unit
End of September
Alex is seen helping Melani B/P putting kids toys, clothing, beds out on the lawn and packing her up
October 2 2019
A drive-by shooting attempt is made on Brandon Boudreaux in Gilbert, Ariz
October 2 2019
what is believed to be Chad Daybell is seen at storage unit grabbing Lori’s ass after storing tire/seat
October 2 2019
Lori buys wedding ring, its delivered October 7 2019 https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/03/what-an-amazon-order-reveals-about-lori-daybells-wedding-ring/

October 9 2019
Tammy Daybell a masked man approached and shot at her several times with a paintball gun, interestingly he runs away to the back of her house, not down the street to an awaiting get away car or anything. https://www.eastidahonews.com/2019/12/tammy-daybell-reported-a-masked-man-shot-at-her-with-a-paintball-gun-10-days-before-her-suspicious-death/
October 16? 2019
Melani Boudreaux decides to leave the kids with Brandon and move away. About two weeks after the shooting, Melani texted Brandon that she had decided to move to Boise, according to court documents. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2019/12/31/gilbert-drive-shooting-tied-idaho-missing-children-brandon-melani-boudreaux-tylee-ryan-joshua-vallow/2769637001/

October 19 2019
Tammy Daybell died at home in Salem Idaho.
October 20 2019
"The day after Tammy’s Daybell died, staff at the school gathered to comfort her daughter, Emma Murray, who teaches at the same school.
“Everyone was having a hard time because it was so sudden,” Fowler said. “Everyone shared a lot of good, happy memories about her. Emma wanted to hear everyone’s happy memories because she said that is what would get her through it.”
"During the visit, Fowler and another friend told KSL that Murray also shared concerns about the state in which they found Tammy Daybell’s body. Murray reportedly shared that Tammy Daybell appeared to have pink foam coming out of her mouth." https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/06/friends-of-tammy-daybell-express-concern-over-her-death/None of them said anything until now??? even after Chad refused and autopsy and Tammy was hurriedly buried, no one said anything even two weeks later when Chad rushed off to marry Lori Vallow in Hawaii? I get that sometimes people are unsure if they should let police or media know something , but even after the children were reported as missing no one said anything? This kind of closed in church society of hush everything up is wrong and dangerous. Jesus said its evil deeds that are kept in darkness but that good deeds are brought to the light. I hope this kind of secrecy stops and people arent intimidated to not say anything.
Also i know the county put out a statement saying it didnt matter if Chad had said he didnt want an autopsy done they would have done one anyway if there were signs of foul play, but just to keep the record straight according to the dispatcher Chad did say he did NOT want an autopsy done. Chad Daybell requested no autopsy per dispatcher https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol6pbeSbjvY

October 22 2019
Tammy Daybell was buried in Springville, Utah

October 2019
Sometime after death of Tammy Daybell Lori took chads grown children cookies according to Melanie Gibbs.
November 5 2019
Chad and Lori are married in Kauai Hawaii
november 12 or 14?
alex and Melani go to Utah and melanie trespasses on Brandons parents property, melani arrested $1,950 bail paid by Alex. Similarly to how the family and some of the church and public responded to allegations about Lori Vallow in the beginning, Melani's family has implied that everything related to Brandon Boudreaux is 'just a custody issue' People online insist that Melani never really said anything about zombies, even though Charles Vallow has said the cult talks about zombies, Melanie Gibbs says they talk about zombies, and Brandon Boudreaux says Melani talked about them too!

November 26 2019
Police go to Lori and Chad's residence at 565 Pioneer Road in Rexburg to conduct a welfare check on J.J. at the request of his grandmother, Kay Vallow Woodcock

November 27 2019
Rexburg police executed search warrants at locations in Rexburg associated with Vallow, in an attempt to locate Joshua. As the search warrants were being executed, investigators determined that Vallow and Daybell had abruptly left their home and Rexburg.

FIRST NEWS RELEASE ABOUT CHILDREN (that I could find online)
December 20 2019
At this point there is massive news beginning to flood the internet and media because the case is so strange. But still no friends or church members or bishops or anyone is reporting anything to the police or media as far as we know. Chad and Lori are members in good standing at their church still, and remain that way at least until Lori was arrested in Hawaii, hey they may both still be members in good standing for all we know!
January 3 2020
search warrant executed at Chad Daybells home.
“Humphries would not say what the sufficient probable cause was that allowed them to get the warrant but said it is related to both the missing children and suspicious death cases.
“It’s all related,” Humphries said.”
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/01/police-conclude-search-at-daybell-home/

January 7 2020
Grandparents of “JJ” Vallow hold news conference, offer $20,000 reward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62YZNJ_N5Ec

January 25, 2020
Law enforcement locate Chad and Lori on the Hawaiian island of Kauai, where they are served with a court order obtained by the Madison County Prosecutor's Office that requires Lori to "physically produce Tylee and J.J. to the Idaho Department of Welfare in Rexburg, Idaho, or to the Rexburg Police within five days of being served with the order." Millions of people around the world are watching this and hoping the children will turn up but the LDS church is silent and none of the people that are now making statements about everything they saw and heard and knew have yet said a word publicly at this point.

January 25 2020
Lori and Chad were served with court documents to produce the children within 5 days.
Jan 26th pulled over and served w/search warrant to search their vehicle and their persons, then eventually let go.
Jan. 25, 2020: Law enforcement locate Chad and Lori on the Hawaiian island of Kauai, where they are served with a court order obtained by the Madison County Prosecutor's Office that requires Lori to "physically produce Tylee and J.J. to the Idaho Department of Welfare in Rexburg, Idaho, or to the Rexburg Police within five days of being served with the order."

January 28 2020 (approximate)
Kay and Larry Woodcock file for temporary guardianship of their grandson J.J.
I wanted to include this because Lori's fans have said that Lori was hiding the kids because of a custody battle, but the custody issue wasnt even raised until 5 months after police began trying to find the kids.

January 30 2020
Lori Vallow fails to comply with court order and does not appear in front of Madison County authorities. Lori Daybell was ordered to produce the children by Jan. 30 or possibly be found in contempt of court.

January 31 2020
Colby Ryan brother of missing Idaho kids speaks out on you tube after the deadline for Lori to show the kids passes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdu4M5PMepQ

February 11 2020
I believe its the same church that said nothing about them being there in Hawaii while the police were looking for them. Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell seen going to church in Hawaii
“The couple has attended worship services at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Kauai for the past two weeks. Members tell East Idaho News they approached ward leaders and said media reports about them are false and one-sided. ABC News aired footage of them walking into a church building Sunday.” previous Sunday is Feb 9
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/02/daybells-attend-church-in-hawaii-abc-news-obtains-beach-wedding-photos/

Feb 12 2020
Dateline shows their episode "where are the children" in Friday’s Dateline at 9/8c. Feb. 12, 2020
From beginning to end-
I find it disturbing that the only interviews people close to people that allegedly committed this horrible crime are only speaking to Mormon reporters and Mormon TV stations. "exclusive interviews" with exclusively mormon journalists makes this all look like everything is still being done in secret and all information carefully filtered through the LDS church so that the churches image is not blemished.
I forgot to mention that the FBI has been involved in this case since November 27 2019 so if any of you church people and people that knew any of the people in this horrible child murder case are inclined to speak up, its a great time to do it, call the police or the FBI and tell them what you know now before it comes out later and you look like you were involved!
November 27 2019
FBI spokeswoman Sandra Yi Barker confirmed... that the FBI is assisting with the case.
“We were contacted by Rexburg Police on Nov. 27,” Barker said. “I won’t get into details but we are offering investigative, forensic and technical assistance in Idaho and Utah. Today, members of our Evidence Response Team are in Rexburg assisting with evidence collection. Our victim specialist has also been made available to the families of Joshua Vallow and Tylee Ryan.”
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/01/police-conclude-search-at-daybell-home/


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2020.05.29 11:46 DaniChicago VA resumes in-person Compensation and Pension exams at select locations

VA resumes in-person Compensation and Pension exams at select locations

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) announced today it will resume in-person Compensation and Pension (C&P) exams in concert with the reopening of VA lead medical centers in select locations across the country.
VA Veterans Benefits Administration’s (VBA) contracted medical examination providers will immediately begin contacting Veterans in select locations with claims pending C&P exams to schedule exam appointments.
“Resuming C&P exams allows VA to continue delivering the benefits our Veterans have earned,” said VA Secretary Robert Wilkie. “We’re keeping the safety of Veterans and our medical providers as our highest priority and have put a robust set of measures in place to ensure medical providers can safely conduct these examinations.”
Safety measures include COVID-19 screening for Veterans and employees, physical distancing and appropriate personal protective equipment to include face coverings and gloves. VA is working closely with its medical providers to ensure the safety of Veterans and providers remains a top priority.
VA expects to start conducting in-person exams within the next few weeks based on the availability of Veterans in the following approved locations:
Veterans outside of these service areas will continue to be served through telehealth appointments or the acceptable clinical evidence process, which includes a review of existing medical records to provide information needed to complete the claim, whenever possible.
Veterans within resumed service areas who do not yet feel comfortable receiving in-person exams may opt to schedule their exam for a later date without impact to their disability claim. No final action will be taken on a claim while a required in-person exam is pending.
VA expects to expand the list of available locations as conditions allow, with guidance from various agencies driving decision making.
For more information, visit VA benefits.


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2020.05.23 05:54 2_lazy In Sept 2019 Tylee Ryan (age 17) and J.J. Vallow (age 7) Disappeared. A case surrounded by suspicious deaths.

This is a very convoluted case with many victims and connections. The majority of relevant events seem to occurring within a single extended family. As a result I have drafted a rudimentary family tree in the software Gramps showing relationships of those involved, which you can refer to throughout this post: https://i.imgur.com/sLPBPZA.png

Brief Overview:

The last known siting of Tylee Ryan occurred on Sept. 8, 2019 at Yellowstone National Park, and the last known siting of JJ Vallow occurred on Sept. 23, 2019 at Kennedy Elementary School. His adoptive mother Lori called authorities to let them know she was going to homeschool J.J. On Nov. 26, 2019 Kay Vallow Woodcock (J.J.'s bio grandmother) requests a welfare check for J.J. Lori tells police the children are in Arizona with relatives, a lie. After more lies and refusing to cooperate with police Lori Vallow was arrested on Feb. 20, 2020 for felony desertion of a child, resisting and obstructing an officer, and solicitation of a crime and contempt.
Mysterious deaths surrounding the case:

Full Timeline (modified/edited/added to/compacted by myself from the one by the Post Register)

link to the original Post Register Timeline:

Relevant persons in this case:

Lori Cox Vallow Daybell: Age 46, wife of Chad
Chad Daybell: Age 51, husband of Lori
Tylee Ryan: Age 17, daughter of Lori and Joseph Anthony Ryan; remains missing
Joshua Jaxon "J.J." Vallow: Age 7, adopted son of Lori and Charles Vallow, biological Grandson of Charles' sister Kay Vallow Woodcock, diagnosed with lvl 2 autism. He is said to have an amazing memory and reads at an advanced level for his age; remains missing
Alexander (Alex) Cox: Brother of Lori
William Lagioia: Second husband of Lori, father of Colby Lagioia-Ryan, who is the biological half brother of Tylee and adoptive brother of J.J.
Joseph Ryan: Third husband of Lori, father of Tylee
Charles Vallow: Fourth husband of Lori, adoptive father of J.J.
Melani Boudreaux: Lori’s niece whose ex-husband said radically changed after beginning to follow Lori's religious beliefs
Brandon Boudreaux: Melani’s ex-husband
Ian Pawlowski: Melani's current husband
Tammy/Tamara Daybell (nee Douglas): Age 49, Chad Daybell's first wife
Timeline of events:
Vallow says Lori cancelled his return flight home from Texas where he was on a business trip. When he managed to fly back he found his truck and house keys gone, his bank account emptied of $35,000, the house locked, and no answer from Lori. He tells officers he hasn't been able to see JJ or Tylee, and that Lori last told him that she got rid of all his stuff from their home and that he was not to come to the house. He doesn't want to enter the house alone and wanted the police to be with him. When he enters the house he finds all his clothing and other belongings are gone. I highly recommend watching the video, as it shows Vallow saying Lori threatened to murder him, describing some of her strange religious beliefs including her thinking she was a god, and her not caring what happens to her children.
Chad Daybell texts filmmaker Devin K. Hansen “Thanks so much” regarding a project to turn one of his books into a film, Hansen told Fox 13 Salt Lake City. This is the last time Hansen would hear from Chad; all subsequent texts from Hansen to Chad go unanswered. Up until this point, Chad seemed invested in the project and had traveled to Utah to meet with Hansen about it. The project has since been cancelled.
Around this date, Melani tells Brandon that she is moving to Boise, according to The Arizona Republic.

Relevant Facebook Posts from family members

Brandon Boudreaux Posted on Dec. 21, 2019:
On October 2nd on my way home from the gym someone sat outside my home and shot a gun at me they hit my vehicle and missed my head by inches. I have reason to believe that this was related to all of the following events. I will only share things in this post that are public information please don't ask for more. Please also understand I know firsthand how scary these people can be. And by sharing I realize it can make us a target. As someone who has spent the last two months in hiding to protect my kids I don't take this lightly. But I want to be a person who stands and fights for truth and justice I have thought a lot about it and I have to share this. I can no longer sit by when by sharing I might help someone who knows something to come forward.
Ok This story is about my wife's cousin Joshua Jaxon (JJ) Vallow. Born in Lake Charles, LA. My wife's aunt and uncle Charles vallow and his wife Lori adopted him in 2013.
He’s a beautiful, intelligent 7 y/o with the biggest heart, most beautiful smile & has life challenges of a level 2 boy on the Autism spectrum. Early intervention allowed him to flourish beyond all expectations. Lori was a wonderful, loving, attentive mother. Things started changing over the past 18+ months when Lori began spending all her time with a new religious group, that we refer to as a “cult.”
She eventually deserted charles & JJ for 2.5 months early this year. Charles did his best to save the marriage, of which she had no interest. My wife at this time melani began spending a lot of time with this group, at the end of june she demanded a divorce claiming revelation about things that were not real and there was no evidence given just a claim of being told by the savior. On July 11, 2019 in Chandler, AZ, Charles went to Lori’s home (which he paid for) to get JJ & take to school. She and her brother Alex were there. Alex shot Charles twice in the chest killing him, claiming self-defense. 4 people were there that day. Lori, Alex and these 2 missing children. Alex mysteriously passed away on 12/12 & these two children haven't been seen since September 23rd. Worse still, Lori already remarried and the wife of her new husband Chad Daybell, mysteriously died on October 19th, in Rexburg, ID. I'm posting this and articles related to the case begging anyone who believes in justice to please share my post. Help us shed light on this. Someone out there knows something but doesn't know how all the pieces fit together. Help me connect them with the police so we can bring justice to charles and the other victims. Please join us in prayer and fasting that we find JJ & Tylee alive. Please like and share this to help bring the truth to authorities. Please feel free to dm me with questions about the provided links.
Kay Woodcock posted on March 28, 2020:
Today, my heart is extremely heavy. (heavier than normal these days)
One year ago yesterday, JJ was here in Lake Charles with Larry J. Woodcock & I was in Gilbert, AZ helping Charles pack for move to Houston. After being gone for 58 days, Loco (Lori) strutted in, hands on hips, & began to blame Charles for HER being gone so long, for cutting off her & her family’s phones, for keeping JJ from her, for her having to move, etc... It was ridiculous!! I knew the REAL situation bc I was with him & JJ for most of her absence. Charles offered to fly her to Houston that Sunday (in 3 days) to see JJ since it had been so long. She “committed to helping a friend in Kauai” so she couldn’t, then promised upon her return to the mainland in a “week or two” she would go to Houston. ((What mother would do this?)). Thankfully, this visit didn’t derail him & proceeded with the move. After short time in Houston his heart won over logic, allowing her back in their lives. It just so happened he was due a huge commission check at the same time. Oh my!! How obvious was that!! Yet Charles still had hopes of reconciliation. A short 4 months later... you know the story. For those who don’t, She & Alex ambushed & murdered him, acting like it was just another day. It changed my life, my family, and our friends lives forever. The void his loss created within my heart will never be filled. I miss my brother VERY much every single day. He was a good man who treated her with utmost respect & love. She didn’t deserve him. After his death, JJ must’ve felt incredibly lost, unloved & missed his dad terribly. His combative & unruly demeanor, as exhibited in the doorbell cam vid (Garna Mejia posted) personifies his inability to cope with his world being turned upside down by his mothers hand. Loco was obviously treating him as her “nieces drug baby.” Meaning she had emotionally removed herself as his once devoted, loving & protective mom. I think her referral to him in that way, was an example of her mustering the courage to “off” Tylee & then him. I PRAY I’m wrong, as we’ve NOT seen proof yet. However the longer she’s in jail, not talking causes us to lose hope with each passing day. We WON’T give up hope until we know differently. If loco has done something to him, it’s comforting to know he’s in heaven holding his Dad’s hand & they will be happy together forever. All she had to do was call us to pick him up. Period!!! She knew we’d have been there in record time!!! She knew we wanted him!!! SHE KNEW !!! Time will tell just how selfish she is.
For now, we continue to wait, wait, wait..... plz keep JJ & Tylee in your prayers.
WHERE ARE THE KIDS??? WHERE IS TYLEE ?!? WHERE IS JJ !?!

Links for more reading

Final Thoughts

So what do you think the connection between the deaths are? Do you think the children are OK? It seems Lori almost certainly had something to do with their disappearance, why do you think she would want them gone?
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2020.05.21 03:00 portlane Steven Hanson (Jan. 28, 1954 - May15, 2020)

Steven Duane Hanson
Jan. 28, 1954 - May15, 2020
Steven D. Hanson was born Jan. 28, 1954, the eldest son of Duane and Phyllis Hanson, he grew up in Portland and graduated from Parkrose High School. Steve lost his battle with Glioblastoma, Friday, May 15,2020. He died at home surrounded by his beloved wife and friends.
Steve often said the best years of his life began when he met Dorie. They enjoyed many of the same interests, including travel. Steve and Dorie traveled around the globe, with a goal of putting their toes in the sand on each continent. Some favorite places included Cape Town, South Africa, Barcelona, Spain and Zapallar, Chile. Steve was a Porsche aficionado – he loved them! His first acquisition was a white 1974, 914. Porsche purchases continued throughout his life, with different models rolling in and out of the garage. Steve was an athlete and well-rounded sportsman. He enjoyed skiing, mountain biking, tennis and running. Inspired his freshman year at the University of Oregon by then-senior track star and Olympian Steve "Pre" Prefontaine, he started running and was hooked; it became a lifelong passion. After graduating from the U of O with a degree in finance, Steve's first job was with Freightliner, in Portland. He soon moved into the tech world where he was successful in developing software sales teams, mentoring future sales leaders and exceeding revenue growth plans. Most recently he was senior vice president of sales at Emailage, acquired by LexisNexis. Outside of work, he was a dear friend to many – in Scottsdale, where he lived most recently, Portland, and around the country. He was a great listener, sympathetic and kind; quick to smile and encourage. His viewpoint and sound advice were important, well thought-out and meaningful. He will remain in our hearts because of that.
Steve is survived by his wife, Dorie M. Hanson of Scottsdale, Ariz.; sons, Chris Hanson of Scottsdale and Alec Armijo of Portland; grandchildren, Madison Hanson and Preston Hanson of Scottsdale; mother, Phyllis Hanson of Portland; siblings, Susan Kannon of Portland, Chuck Hanson and Caroline Hanson of Boise and Rick Hanson of Portland; nephews, Perry Hanson, Nadison Kannan; nieces, Sarah Hanson and Radha Kannan. Steve was preceded in death by his father, Duane Waldmer Hanson. One of Steve's final wishes was to have his brain donated to research and science to advance the fight for a cure of cancer. A family non-profit foundation is being set up in Steve's name for future donations. Celebration of life services will be held at future dates in Phoenix and Portland. Information will be forthcoming.
Please sign the online guest book at www.oregonlive.com/obits
source: http://obits.oregonlive.com/obituaries/oregon/obituary.aspx?n=steven-duane-hanson&pid=196219953
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2020.05.17 15:03 portlane Neil Oliver (January 17, 1956 - April 28, 2020)

NEIL ALBERT OLIVER
January 17, 1956 - April 28, 2020
Neil Albert Oliver, 64, of Carson, Washington, passed away on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at home, from complications due to Lewy Body Dementia.
Neil was born in Portland, Oregon to Anthony (Tony) and Elizabeth (Bette) Oliver on January 17, 1956. He graduated from Franklin High School in 1974.
Neil went on to earn a Bachelor’s of Science in Civil Engineering from Oregon State University. He worked as a Civil Engineer for the U. S. Forest Service for 31 1/2 years, retiring in 2011.
He was proud to be a part of the 1976 “Bike” Centennial Celebration, riding a bicycle coast-to-coast from Oregon to Virginia.
Neil married Darice Magnuson on May 12, 1984 in Corvallis Oregon, and they moved to Carson in 1990.
He was an active member of the Our Lady Star of the Sea Catholic Church.
Neil is survived by his wife, Darice of Carson; son, Nathan of Hudson, Wisconsin; daughter, Michelle of Shaker Heights, Ohio; siblings, Elaine (Pat) Keavney of Oregon City, Oregon, Ron (Nita) Oliver and Gordon (Pat) Oliver of Portland, Oregon, Dave (Nancy) Oliver of Boise, Idaho; and many nieces, nephews and cousins.
He was preceded in death by his parents, Tony and Bette; and his infant brother, Stephen Oliver.
A private graveside service was held at Wind River Memorial Cemetery in Carson on May 4. A Catholic funeral Mass and Celebration of Life will be held, date to be determined.
Memorial donations may be made to Our Lady Star of the Sea Catholic Church, Stevenson, WA, or to Inspiring Hospice Foundation (Heart of Hospice - Hood River, OR).
Please sign his guest book @ www.columbian.com/obits
source: http://obits.columbian.com/obituaries/columbian/obituary.aspx?n=neil-albert-oliver&pid=196204247
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2020.05.05 17:05 --Gem Let's Talk About ICOM: 2020 Update

Welcome to Let's Talk About ICOM 2: Electric Boogaloo. My original post went up here 6 months ago, but I thought it's worth updating and sharing for our DO friends applying this cycle. Hopefully, this one is a little more eloquent than the first time around. So, let's talk about ICOM...again.

Introduction + Disclaimer

For those who are unaware, the Idaho College of Osteopathic Medicine (ICOM) is a relatively new private, for-profit medical school in Meridian, Idaho. Their inaugural class will be entering their 3rd year and begin rotations in the Fall of 2020. It is not fully accredited by COCA and ineligible for federal loans at the time of this posting.
A lot of people have asked me: "Why do you care?". Guesses have been made that I'm a bitter applicant who was rejected. No, just a loser with too much time on his hands in self-isolation. The purpose of this post and its predecessor are to dissuade applicants from this sketchy program the same way premeds dissuade applicants from going Caribbean.
But why ICOM specifically? I grew up literally down the road of the new ICOM campus and have followed its development prudently since its inception. Four of my mentors (2 orthopedists, one pathologist, one FM, all members of the Idaho Medical Association) introduced me to ICOM in the earliest stages of its planning back in 2016. They were very disgruntled with the school's founders for reasons I will explain later, and these concerns were echoed as I've spoken with other physicians, local hospital administrators, and UW/WWAMI administrators. Most premeds would never be able to find this information on their own, so I think it's worth sharing and I'd like to help everyone make an informed decision.
You can, and most likely will, be a doctor after attending this school. I'm not even denying that you will be a good doctor after attending this school. But why attend this school when there are 140+ objectively better choices out there? This school might one day be good, even great, but let someone else work out the bugs.
Bonus disclaimer: This is not an MD/DO debate. I care more about your personal character than the two characters behind your name.

Part 1 - Breaking News: New, For-Profit Schools Are Risky

Let's start with the more general, less upsetting complaints about ICOM. These aren't specific to ICOM, but bear with me.
ICOM is subject to the same pitfalls of many new, for-profit medical schools. New schools are always a gamble. Like when investing in stocks, it's important to do your research and see if these schools are worth investing in and betting your future on.
High seat deposits demand ~$1600 on acceptance (previously $2,000). Interviews and acceptances are sent early and fast so you will pay before MD schools get a hold of you. Many WWAMI applicants this year and last were faced with the decision to pay the deposit or risk getting into UW afterwards.
Lack of accreditation doesn't mean much at this point on its own. However, until accreditation happens, there are no federal student loans (which are more favorable) and no loan deferment. For the financially inclined, this will be a problem when Sallie Mae starts demanding payment and you can't pay it off with services like NHSC.
I also just want to include that ICOM was also launched by investor Dan Burrell, of Burrell College of Medicine (or BCOM). This is the same BCOM with a 25% attrition rate (2020) and 9% failed COMLEX twice. This is not damning to ICOM specifically, but it's not a good look either.
As with most new schools, this one has pretty terrible rotations and almost no GME connections or opportunities. These topics will require a little more scrutiny in new paragraphs with wacky titles.

Part 2 - Put Me Out of My Missouri

It's not uncommon for 3rd year medical students to rotate away from their home institution to nearby hospitals. That's normal and even encouraged, especially as you reach 4th year. It is less normal to leave your city and more so to leave your state for basic clinical rotations.
Interested applicants, please take a look at their clinical rotations here.
2/3 of ICOM students this year will be traveling upwards of 500 miles to North Dakota, South Dakota, Missouri, and New York for their core rotations. Only about 1/3 actually stay within 200 miles of the school. This is both absurd and cruel to existing students, especially considering there is no assistance with housing or transport to these locations at this time. Placement is based on a lottery system.
Why else does this matter? Well, it's my time to shine as a local inter-hospital employee.
The difference in rotations between, say, UW or Utah and ICOMs core rotations is case complexity and abundance. At University of Utah, you will see complex cases, traumas, pediatrics, burns, rare disorders all in one facility system, all in one day. Your exposure to different specialties, research, and complex patients is the best in the region.
Rotations in Idaho mean you will only see burns in EIRMC (Idaho Falls), traumas at St. Al's (West Boise), pediatrics at St. Luke's (Downtown Boise), and many of our complex cases are shipped to UW (Seattle) or Utah (Salt Lake). My job requires I'm very familiar with all these facilities. No single Idaho facility has the capability or credentials to take on all of these types of patients. As a student, this is NOT okay. You are paying top dollar for this exposure. Why shortchange yourself?

Part 3 - GEM talks about GME

Let's walk through a scenario as an ICOM student.
Congratulations. You've managed to get through your rotations (wherever they may be), passed your STEPs, and crushed COMLEX. Time to match.
You're in luck! There are about 41 primary care residency slots in Idaho, and you are one of the few students who rotated through those locations! Wowie!
Alas, you're also competing with the 161 other students who graduated from ICOM, as well as the many competitive UW Seattle students, 60+ WWAMI Idaho students, and 10 University of Utah students who also rotated through there. NOW THERE ARE OVER 75 APPLICANTS (Many MD) PER ONE RESIDENCY SLOT IN IDAHO. \Gulp**
Being familiar with residency PDs via your rotations is a huge advantage when matching. As an Idaho student, you'll likely know the programs and want to apply to residencies here, but the fact of the matter is you're not likely to make it.
Again, this isn't an MD/DO debate, but you're not going to be competitive against these MD students that have historically have rotated through these residencies for longer and are heavily incentivized to stay as physicians in Idaho - a state ranked 49th in physicians per capita.
This is also an issue as ICOM also promised new residency slots in Idaho as part of their mission to decrease the physician shortage *in Idaho*. Since then, they've been silent on this goal and have contracted with a Montana health system to create residencies instead. They plan on opening only 78 residency slots, although there is no confirmed date they will be available, and again, it's not enough to cover the 150+ students they have. Source

Part 4 - The Lack of Transparency Is Apparent

This is by far the most important part in this series. ICOM has a baffling number of red flags and a very shady past.
I can not recommend this article enough. Seriously, read it.
Before Idaho, the Burrell Group (a group of investors wishing to create a medical school), were rejected from making the school in Montana. Naturally, Idaho was their next best bet as a vulnerable state with no official medical school, aside from WWAMI/UW.
It was rejected because ... the local medical community suspected that Burrell was “just out to make money with his for-profit college, possibly at the expense of medical students, who might be left holding big debt with no way to land crucial residency training.”
- The Bozeman Daily Chronicle on why ICOM (planned to be MCOM) was rejected from Montana
Since its inception, ICOM has upset members of the Idaho Medical Association and local hospitals with a lack of transparency on its budget, plans for rotations, amount of investment, etc. This is beyond sketchy for what should be public information, especially as the state has promised tax breaks to the COM in expectation that it will bring in money to the local economy.
Idaho's (now) former governor, Butch Otter, approved the creation of ICOM under the assumption that it would bring residencies and more physicians to Idaho. As stated previously, this isn't going to happen.
The inaugural dean of ICOM, Robert Hasty, made a hasty retreat from ICOM after only 3 years to help build a new for-profit school in Kansas. Insert surprised pikachu face.
Today, ICOM has become something of an inside joke for practicing Idaho physicians. Many agree that Idaho needs more doctors, but ICOM is not going to help. A great opinion piece was written about them here.

Part 5 - Going for Broke

I want to conclude by circling back on the fact that this school is a for-profit institution. Unlike a state university and like a Caribbean institution, the school does not want to invest in itself or in you. Rotations are far away because it's going to the cheapest locations. The Montana Medical Association did not trust the intentions of the founders of ICOM. Finally, the ICOM is under consideration as being a less-than-stellar investment and may not make returns as planned. Source
Your education is not their priority. Physician shortages are not their priority. Honesty is not their priority.
In order to make profits, the school has concrete plans to double its class size to 324 students by 2034. An increase of 54 students, every four years. Remember how there are 41 primary care residency slots? Do the math. Source (Page 10)
Medical school is not and will not be the rest of your life, but does play a major role it. You deserve better. Go somewhere else.

TL;DR

I tell people not to go to ICOM with the same passion/insanity that J. Jonah Jameson tells people Spider-man is a criminal. Don't apply here.
Please let me know if any details or articles are missing that you would like included. Pass this on to any friends that are considering applying to ICOM so they can make an informed decision before applying.
Special thanks to multiple contributors on Reddit and SDN for keeping me in the loop.
Edits have been made for grammar and clarity.

Sources/Links:

General Article about Sketchy ICOM/associated SDN post about unaccredited residency spot
Negative Credit Rating
False claims that ICOM will create Idaho residencies
ICOM PDF stating that class size is set to double by 2030 (54 seats every 4 years)
Local article on low transparency
ICOM's Clinical Rotation List
Idaho physician opinion piece
ICOM's connection to Burrell
GME slots in Idaho
And you, young ICOM students, we will watch your career with great interest.
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2020.03.24 22:58 PalominoPalace Real(ish) Time Ada County Real Estate Market Statistics

With all of this new found free time on my hands and unfettered access to the Intermountain Listing Service (IMLS), I have been keeping a close eye on the real estate market, particularly New Listings, and inputting it all into a real time data set. Assuming low inventory has been the driving factor for the (unsustainable and gut-wrenching) appreciation rates over the past few years, I set out to see if the national emergency announced on 3/13/2020 has increased new listings in Ada.
No surprise: It has.
Using the date range: 3/13/2020 through 3/23/2020, we have seen the following upward changes compared against the same time period in the past three years:
2019: Δ +50
2018: Δ +12
2017: Δ +115 (Snowpocalypse, probably)
Small sample size, sure... but worth noting in a fast paced market
In fact, this is on track (perhaps unsurprisingly) to be the most active March in terms of New Listings in the past few years.
My questions for y'all are:
1) Would this data be helpful to the boise community? (ii.e. are you interested?)
2) What other data points would you all like to see (if there's any interest I will try to accommodate)?
3) What static do you see in the data and how can I improve this?

I am hoping people much smarter than I can help add context to make meaning of this data and make this a better resource as I am a former English major and in no way a statistician or particularly competent with Google Sheets.

Cheers
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2020.03.04 19:06 throwawayaracehorse Room 922: The Room of Your Greatest Fear

How much of our decisions are influenced by guilt?
I know that guilt was the primary driver of the engine that was carrying me south from Calgary to Bumfuck, Idaho, the town I grew up in. A funeral awaited me.
My hometown, which doesn’t deserve the dignity of being properly named, was something of a shithole. All of my life I had been anxious to get the hell out of there and I had always thought that nothing would ever bring me back. Once my mom moved shortly after my high school graduation, I had no reason whatsoever to return.
But then I heard about Cheyenne.
My best friend from childhood had passed away suddenly and I didn’t quite know the circumstances. My mom had called me with the news and she knew very little, only had a link to the obituary which listed the date and time of the services. I looked on social media for clues, but couldn’t get much information there, just people posting their condolences to his family and messages on his Facebook that they missed him. In those cases where the cause of death is unspoken and the details are sparse you can always assume the type of death it is. In my head, I imagined a suicide or a drug overdose.
Small towns can be like quicksand, people getting stuck in place for all kinds of reasons. My hometown in particular was like a patch of quicksand with its own gravitational pull. Sure you might escape, but you could get caught back into its orbit and before you knew it, you'd be sucked down into that old place, unable to leave.
That's what had happened to Cheyenne.
At first, he had been like the other young people of the town, fleeing with the hopes of never coming back. There was no real industry there—a local factory had closed years ago—and unless you were in the family business with ranching or potato farming, you were best served by going elsewhere. So that’s what we did and I was proud that he especially had finally made it out, away from all of the demons that Nowheresville had haunted him with.
I had gotten a scholarship to Oregon State University whereas he ended up at Boise State. He made it a couple years before the partying caught up with him and he was forced to drop out. I had visited him a couple of times out there and his partying was really on a completely different level than anything I had previously experienced. It continued through the entire weekend and, I can only presume, on into the week.
Of course, deep down I knew why.
Later, after he dropped out, contact between the two of us was limited. Our lives were going in different directions. He had enrolled at a junior college to get back on track and when that failed, he took a couple years off to work a little, bouncing from job to job. He ended up moving back to our hometown, living with his mom. He was flirting with the idea of the military. That was the last I had personally heard from him. Through sporadic conversations with old friends I had heard he had been to rehab a couple of times.
As for the funeral, I had plenty of excuses not to go—I wanted to save my PTO for a bigger vacation, it’s not like we had been that close in recent years, it was such a long drive, etc. etc.—but the guilt weighed heavily on me and I requested off.
A hold up at the border had delayed me and it was later in the evening than I had anticipated when I passed into the United States and was coming through the panhandle of Idaho. I had planned to make it to Boise for the night, but if my heavy eyelids were any indication, I wasn’t going to make it the whole way through. That was fine by me, I had a little bit of flexibility in my schedule.
That’s about when I heard the broadcast. A bizarre, stream of conscious rant by this old folksy DJ came over the airwaves and cut into the sports radio program that I was listening to at the time. It was kind of funny, but it gave me pause. I think it was just a major coincidence but it almost seemed like the DJ knew something about me and my situation, somehow knew that I was driving back to my hometown for a funeral. He kept talking about funerals and burying the dead and how he hated them and how deep down most people did. How he couldn’t stand casseroles and that nobody ever ate the calf brain and broccoli casserole he liked to bring to such events.
It was true in my case; I hated funerals and I hated casserole. That wasn't so rare of a sentiment, was it?
But then the DJ gave a very strong recommendation, almost a warning of sorts. It was almost like he was talking directly to me. He said that if any point during my journey I came across a motel or hotel or inn that had a neon sign featuring my worst fear, then I was to pull over instantly and book a room. It didn't matter the time of day, it didn't matter my plans, didn't matter my phobia, I had to book the room. So he said.
If I ignored him, if I didn't face my fear and book the room, if I just kept driving on, then the man on the radio claimed that “my fear would face me.” What was that supposed to mean?
So when I came upon a motel on the side of the winding mountain roads, a motel known as The Big Top Inn, I began to get really anxious and scared. The main sign featured a large circus tent and it promised clean rooms and HBO and vacancies. Below that, a neon sign flashed and flickered: the outline of a clown, waving and waving.
I hated clowns.
They call it coulrophobia and I definitely have it, but when I say that I have I don’t mean in the generic way that most people do as in they get kind of creeped out by clowns or they can remember how they saw part of Stephen King’s It on TV when they were young while their older sister was watching it at a sleepover (although this did happen to me). I mean that I have a deep seated disdain and terror for all clowns. Even a picture will cause my pulse to speed up. Forget about seeing a clown in person. I have avoided Halloween events and other costume affairs all on account of the risk of seeing someone dressed up that way. I’ve had to learn all sorts of techniques and breathing exercises just to cope with any accidental sightings in public. It’s that bad.
I slowed down as I neared the motel. Nobody was behind me so I came to a complete stop, right there in the road. The radio broadcast was especially creepy and the fact that it just so happened to occur right before this motel really had me paranoid. What was a place like that doing out here in the middle of nowhere?
The motel was painted white and the rooms of all of the doors were red with the roof a series of alternating red and white shingles that formed stripes, giving the place the appearance of a circus tent. What would happen if I kept driving?
I thought of Cheyenne and his funeral and his untimely death.
I pulled into the driveway that ran under a breezeway in front of the little lobby. I could hear circus calliope music. I left the car idling and got prepared to make my entrance and book a room. My entire shirt was damp with sweat and my hands trembled on the steering wheel.
But when I saw the clerk sitting at the front desk, with his painted on stubble, crumpled charcoal stovepipe hat, white gloves and red nose, I noped right the fuck out of there.
Rattled to my core, I pulled up to turn back onto the highway and there right there, right across me was a large hotel set back from the road. Its multiple floors loomed large above the trees and it was capped off by a steep angled roof. An ornate sign on the side of the road read, HOTEL NON DORMIUNT. What was a place like that doing out here in the middle of nowhere? It was the second time in as many minutes that I had asked that very question.
Maybe just pull in and check it out. At the very least you could get a drink and calm down.
Two gaslit street lamps greeted me as I pulled into the Hotel Non Dormiunt’s entrance. More lamps illuminated the waning evening light the entire way as my car made its way up a stone paved drive and into a covered driveway entrance. I idled into the driveway and to my left, large wooden doors sat at the top of a small row of gray stone steps. I needed to find parking and I decided I would just pop in real quick and ask.
Someone suddenly tapped on the passenger side window.
It was a staff member, a bellboy. He was wearing white gloves and the red suit with the little cap and brass buttons all down the front. He was short, barely coming up to the middle of the window. Young looking too. I wondered if this violated some type of child labor law.
I rolled down the window.
“Excuse me, I’m just thinking about coming in here for a drink, maybe something to eat. Do you have a restaurant?”
He didn’t respond, just nodded and held up one finger and reached down in his coat and handed me a sheet of paper. I looked it over. It said, SPECIAL: TONIGHT ONLY. ROOMS, 50 DOLLARS. TWO FREE DRINK COUPONS WITH ROOM!
It sounded too good to be true.The place looked really awesome and I had to check it out. What could it hurt?
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The lobby was grand, with clusters of luxurious couches scattered in corners. Equally luxurious people sat together and drank and talked and they even had a live piano player that was slinking out a nice jazzy number. Large gold framed mirrors and paintings hung on the walls and an opulent chandelier hung at the center of the room.
I made my way to the receptionist, booked a room, and got my drink coupons. Everything seemed legit.
I scanned the room once again. The people were all well dressed, a mix between the young and the old. Men in suave suits and ladies in cocktail dresses milled about. I certainly felt underdressed in the place with my jeans and t-shirt. I decided I would go up to my room, take a shower, and wear my funeral attire down to the bar and restaurant.
I rode the elevator to the 9th floor. I padded down a hallway of lush carpeting and found my room, number 922. The room was just as impressive with a brass framed bed at its center, a velvet chaise lounge in front of the window, and a rolltop desk in the corner of the room. The bathroom featured a clawfoot tub and even a freaking bidet! I had never used one of those before and after my shower I gave it a whirl (a dry run thank you very much!). I didn’t know how to sit on it properly and when I turned it on a blast of hot water shot me square in the balls and into my chin. Sacré bleu!
I made my way down to the bar in good spirits. I was enjoying my little adventure and
where I had turned up. The clown motel was no longer on my mind. I took a seat at the bar. It filled the center of the room in a large oval and the shelves were filled with exotic libations and bottles of spirits I had never heard. There were people in booths that were on the borders of the room, but the bar area was largely empty save for an old man at the far end from where I sat.
The bartender’s back was to me when I arrived and he turned to deliver a drink to the other customer. As he did so, I noticed something odd about him. He was wearing a medical mask across his face. What was that about? Germaphobe? Worried about coronavirus?
“What’ll it be?” he asked through the mask.
“Hmmm,” I said and drummed my fingers on the bar. “I’m a little road worn and weary and not thinking clearly. Can you make me something with bourbon in it?”
“Right away,” he said.
He returned with something on the rocks and it really hit the spot in a way that no cocktail ever had. I ordered another.
I debated on what to do now. I thought about asking the bartender the history of the place, but he had disappeared for the time being. Maybe I could strike up conversation with the old man down the way, but he looked like he didn’t want to be bothered. I suddenly got this awkward and self-conscious feeling. I didn’t like going to bars alone and really only did at airports.
I was so busy stuck in my own head that I didn’t see her come up behind me. She sat with a seat between us at my left and I’m glad she did. Had she sat anywhere else, I would’ve had to have made an awkward excuse to sit. She was beautiful.
She wore a black dress and her hair was brown with the slightest hints of red. It cascaded onto her shoulders, the shoulders which peeked out from under the straps of her black cocktail dress, the black cocktail dress that looked amazing on her. She ordered a martini.
I was never so suave to start up conversation with someone that looked like her at the bar, or hell, maybe I was never so lucky. I never saw someone this beautiful go to a bar alone. Maybe she was like me, a fellow traveler.
Being on the road and already having a couple drinks in me, I decided to take a shot. If things went badly, it’s not like I was going to ever see her again.
“Hi there,” I said and smiled. “How are you?”
She smiled back. “I’m well, and you?”
“Just a little road worn and weary, crossed into the US earlier today. Had a holdup at the border.”
“Oh, Canada?”
I nodded. “Calgary.”
“Ooh, I hear it’s pretty up there.”
“Yeah, if you ever find yourself up there, you’ll wanna go to Banff. I’m from the US originally. I’m in the energy sector.”
“The energy sector? Is that a fancy way of saying you’re in the oil business? Are you a driller?”
“Do I look like one?” I asked.
She sized me up. “Nah, you’re too…”
“Don’t say it, don’t say it,” I laughed.
“Don’t say what?”
“I’m too soft? Too scrawny? I go to the gym, y’know.”
“No, that’s not what I was gonna say. You’re too...refined. You couldn’t pass as a roughneck. ”
I chuckled. “You’re right. I actually work in an adjacent field. I code and design software for customer databases and management systems for the energy companies. Saying I work in the energy sector sounds more exciting than I’m just another coder, a computer geek.”
“I like geeks,” she said and I about fell out of my chair. “They are really killing it nowadays. I’m Lucy.” She held out her hand.
I took it. “Cory,” I responded.
We talked for a while and ordered more drinks. It was going really well and I was picking up a good vibe from her. I scooted to the chair adjacent to her and our legs bumped against each other’s and when she laughed she began to touch my arm. In addition to being insanely gorgeous, she was also really smart. She claimed she had a Philosophy degree and had learned the hard way that a degree like that wasn’t worth a hill of beans. She had spent the past couple years doing modeling gigs and substitute teaching. She certainly had the looks to be a model. She had just gotten back from Coeur D'alene for a photo shoot. She said the modeling wasn’t consistent work and that she was thinking of going to law school.
““What’s up with the bartender’s little mask?” she asked.
“Must be afraid of Coronavirus. I knew there must’ve been a reason they only stocked Modelo,” I said.
Lucy laughed way too hard and long at my shitty joke that I had ripped off of a meme I had recently seen on social media. That was ok though, because I took it as an indicator that she might be interested in me and I liked her big smile and the way her teeth gleamed white next to her red lipstick.
She suddenly stopped laughing and got closer to me, touched my knee with her hand. I could smell her perfume and it smelled exciting. She spoke in a low voice. “You know what else a corona is, don’t you?”
“I can’t say that I do.”
“It’s a part of...the...head of the penis,” she said.
I was dumbfounded and speechless. My pulse quickened and I felt my cheeks go red and my legs go weak.
Was this really happening?
This sort of thing never happened to me, almost to the point that I thought it was only something that happened in movies. I had only successfully hooked up from someone I had newly met at a bar just one time and it was just one of those things where everyone was drunk. But this? With someone that looked like her?
She smiled at me and giggled.
“That’s um...I didn’t know that,” I stammered.
Play it smooth, dummy.
“Do you want to go to my room? There’s this really cool desk in there,” I said.
Idiot!
She leaned in close to me and I felt her palm against the bulge in my pants. “Yes,” she whispered.
As we made our way to the elevator, the anxious part of my brain started running its mouth. I grew concerned that maybe she was an escort of sorts and that on the way to the room that she would start to negotiate prices with me, prices that I wouldn’t be able to afford. Or what if she would start bringing up money after the act? What if she had a pimp or something that would rough me up afterwards?
Shut up. This is why you never get lucky like this. You worry too much, the dick influenced part of my brain told the anxiety influenced part of my brain.
There was no turning back after the elevator. She fell into me and we kissed and I felt her body in my hands and she rubbed my cock through my jeans and I grabbed her ass and soon we were stumbling down the hall towards room 922 where I took off my shirt and we fell upon the bed and she straddled me and I could feel her unzipping me and pulling off my pants.
I was completely naked, lying on the bed and there she was straddling me with her dress hiked up to her underwear.
“Close your eyes,” she leaned in and whispered.
I obeyed and in the darkness behind my eyelids I could smell her and feel her weight shifting on the bed and I could feel her mouth on me and soon I felt something at my ankles and wrists and I heard a clicking.
I opened my eyes wide. My wrists were cuffed to the frame of the bed, my ankles the same.
“Lucy, what is this?”
“This,” she said and paused, “is fun.”
I jerked at my restraints. “I’m not so sure about this.”
“Relax,” she said, placing her hand on my chest. “I’m just going to tease you a little. Take control for a bit. Can you handle that?”
I didn’t want to blow my chance. It did sound exciting, the continuation of my adventure.
“Yes,” I said.
“Good.” She reached under her dress and into places unknown and pulled out a wet finger and placed it in my mouth. It tasted like cotton candy. I wanted her. All of her.
“I’m going to the bathroom real quick,” she said. “Two minutes max. I promise.”
“Wait. Can you kiss me goodbye? Two minutes is awful long.”
A mischievous look went across her face and she knelt towards my penis and traced the shaft with her tongue and up around my corona (that new word!)
The bathroom door shut and I could hear the fan on in there and I pulled at my restraints. There was no way I was getting out of these. I was utterly helpless and about to panic when the door opened and erased all thoughts from my mind.
She stood before me, the bathroom light behind her creating a silhouette of her body. She was topless but still wearing her underwear. Her breasts were deceptively large. I knew that they had looked nice in her dress and all, but I wasn’t expecting these. They had a natural weight to them and hung just slightly from gravity’s pull, and oh how they moved with each step she took towards me. She held something behind her back, just out of sight. As soon as she got to the foot of the bed, my cock stood up like a king cobra rising for a snake charmer.
She reached towards her right breast and grabbed a handful of it and then suddenly squeezed it, twice in rapid succession, each squeeze accompanied by a honking bike horn sound. Honk. Honk.
I couldn’t help but laugh at the unexpected nature of it all, I mean what the fuck?
Did she have a little horn behind her back? Is that what that was? She had to, right?
To be honest it was kind of a turn off. I wasn’t looking for comedy during my sex and all it seemed to do was make a mockery of her large and wonderful breasts, as if they were just gaudy props and not the things that I so desperately wanted to touch and watch and have in my face.
From behind her back, she pulled out not a bike horn, but a condom wrapper. She tore at the edge of the wrapper and procured the condom and stretched it out. Instead of placing it on me, she brought it to her mouth and blew and blew and the condom inflated before my confused eyes.
It became a long skinny balloon and her hands were a blur and I could hear the rubbing and squeaking of taut rubber and she threw the new object towards me. A balloon animal, a little dog. It bounced across my chest and into my face and I could smell the strong latex.
“Lucy, what in the fuck is this?” I asked.
She only gave me a big smile.
I jerked at my cuffs.
“Lucy, let me go! Lucy! I’m freaking out now. Seriously.”
She let out a high pitched laugh that was unnerving.
The honking boob.
The balloon animal.
That cotton candy taste.
I suddenly knew.
“Do you want some clown pussy?” she asked in a high pitched, Mickey Mouse-ish voice and my eyes were drawn to her bottom half.
Jutting from the edges of the fabric of her panties was wild and untamed red hair and I don't mean red as in ginger or strawberry blonde, I mean bright red Ronald McDonald style hair. She pulled at the edges and the panties tore away and it looked like she was wearing a big merkin down there. Just thick red bush was all you could see.
I started screaming for help, jerking and jerking at my cuffs, trying to twist every which way.
She reached down into the wild burning bush between her legs and started pulling out the edge of a purple scarf. She started pulling and pulling and pulling, a rainbow rope of different colored scarves pooling at her feet. Then, she felt resistance and made an exaggerated face of strain.
With a loud cartoonish sounding pop, like a cork popping out of a champagne bottle, an object burst forth from her and clattered to the floor.
My vocal cords seized in terror and shock.
She knelt down on the floor to retrieve the object, disappearing from my view for a brief moment. When she stood up, her beautiful chestnut hair had disappeared and on her scalp sat a bright red clown afro.
Her skin had changed color too. She was still nude, but her skin had turned a bright yellow color and large polka dots of different colors scattered all over her body. The yellow color cut off at her face, which was now stark white and with a red painted grin and blue splotchy eyes. In her hand, the object she had picked up from the floor gleamed in the light, the blade of a large butcher knife.
She placed the tip of the blade at the top of my foot and I screamed and she held up a finger and wagged it at me and inched it in until an area of blood appeared.
I stopped screaming. I had gotten the picture. She slowly traced the tip of the blade up the back of my foot and towards the front of my shin, leaving a superficial cut as a trail up my leg and over my knee as she walked along the side of the bed. The blade continued its path across my thigh as I could only sit there frozen in horror. To jerk or scream would result in it plunging deeper into me.
I almost passed out as it neared my groin and towards my long since shriveled and hibernating penis, but it made a turn over my lower abdomen and just past my navel when she straddled me. She raised the blade up high above her.
“Lucy! Stop! Oh God, oh God, please stop! Safeword! Safeword! You didn’t give me a safeword!”
“Oh! Silly me,” she said in that awful voice. “The safeword is, ‘I am responsible for the death of my childhood friend’.” Then the most awful laugh erupted from her gaping mouth and there was something sticking out of there, a big pink and red object just behind her lips and she stared at me with her mouth full of whatever it was.
It unspooled from her mouth like a rolled up red carpet down an aisle, the aisle being the length of her body. It was her tongue and it flopped onto my stomach and she whipped it across my chest and neck and face, before snapping it back into her mouth.
Tears streamed down my face and I started screaming again. She held the blade high. So this is how I died, huh?
“Cheyenne, I’m sorry. I’m sorry. It’s my fault. I’m responsible for your death,” I managed to choke out through the sobs. How much of it was legible, I don’t know.
“What was that?” Lucy asked, holding a hand to her ear, the other still gripped around the handle.
“You heard me,” I sobbed. “You fucking heard me, you goddam cotton candied cunt clown bitch.”
The knife was a silver blur as she suddenly brought it down into my chest. Buried to the hilt, my sternum vibrated under the handle, the force of the blow.

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As the youngest child of a single parent who worked all the time to make ends meet, I had a lot of freedom as a kid. Lots of evenings where it was just my sister watching me, afternoons after school where it was just me and the TV until mom got home, and much of my free time spent at Cheyenne’s.
His mother and dad were cool with me coming around all the time. I think they felt bad for me. They viewed me as another member of the family. You had to hand it to parents like that.
The only thing was, which wasn’t really that big of a problem, was that they were Baptists and really religious. They went to church Sunday mornings and Sunday evenings and even on Wednesday nights. I guess they needed a recharge in the middle of the week. Cheyenne’s mom played piano for the church, so we ended up hanging out there a lot. Lots of times, especially on Wednesdays, she let us skip the service and go out and play on the basketball goal that was in the church parking lot.
There was something called "Vacation Bible School" and it happened every summer and was basically a week long ordeal of learning about the bible and dressed up in such a way as to appeal to kids. You would go for a couple hours with a bunch of other kids up to the fifth grade. They had lots of games and refreshments and arts and crafts and some years they even had a moon bounce. It was at Vacation Bible School where we first met the clowns.
They were known as the "Clowns for Christ" and it was a man and woman both dressed as clowns and they considered themselves missionaries. They would go all over the country in this white panel van with clowns and stuff painted on the side and they would entertain kids at events such as these and also teach them about the good book and Jesus and all of that. They had puppets that would perform parables and instead of balloon animals they made crosses and Jesus fish out of their balloons. They said that God had invented laughter for our enjoyment and they were using it to spread his word. They weren't that funny to me. Even then, I found them creepy.
It was the day after Bible School had ended and Cheyenne and I had wandered off down to the park. His mom was doing some stuff at the church and had allowed us to go down there. We were nine years old and it was only a couple blocks away.
Small towns like that, they thought you didn't have to worry about anything. Most of the time you didn't. Most of the time you still don't. It's not the most of the time that gets you.
We were running around the baseball diamond after hitting imaginary homeruns when we saw it pull up and park under a tree, that familiar white panel van with the clowns painted on the side. He stepped out of the driver's seat, the man with the clown ministry. He was still in his get up, a daisy sticking out of his hat. He wore a plaid shirt and suspenders, giant red shoes. He waved and called us over.
"How y'all boys doing? Seen ya at the church," he said and handed us each a bag of cotton candy.
“What are you doing here? Are you gonna be at church this Sunday?” Cheyenne asked.
“Nope. We’re gonna be getting on down the road and onto the next place. Lil’ Missy's back at the hotel. Got another one of them headaches. Always with the headaches. Figured I’d drive around a bit while she’s resting."
I don't remember everything. I never made the conscious choice to block it all out, it just happened that way. I only remember periods of intense guilt and being sick for weeks, missing school with belly pains, nightmares, images that would appear in my mind years down the road. I don’t remember how we ended up in the back of the van, if we were coerced or if he had offered us something and we went willingly.
The things I do remember: how he had to walk around in the back of the van hunched over, how hot it was back there, the sweat dripping off of us and him especially as it ran his makeup down his neck and bare chest. I remember him telling me to stay in the back corner and that it worked better if I watched. I remember he and Cheyenne towards the front of the van’s back compartment, the sunlight peering in through the back windows, the clown’s heavy breathing. Most of all I remember what he said after, when he opened up the back doors and let us back out into the world.
“Now listen. If ya’ll try and tell, they’ll never believe you. If ya’ll tell they’ll send you away and take you from your families. God made me this way and if you tell, He’ll be very angry with you and do you know where he sends people He is angry with? That’s right. Hell.”
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I never told. It became our secret and we never talked about it again, tried to bury it down deep, suppress it. We became successful at burying this to a degree and went about our lives, but the shame and pain had caught up with Cheyenne eventually and manifested itself in his substance abuse and the failings of his young life.
I should have told someone, God I should’ve let someone know. I let him down.
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I awoke on the bedroom floor with a splitting headache. Lucy was gone, the room was empty, and the lights of the room were still on. I was momentarily disoriented and I sat up and looked around.
Had it all been a dream?
No, I was still naked and had a scratch up my entire leg to show that something had happened. Next to me on the carpet was the butcher knife. I picked up the knife and touched the blade with the tip of my finger. It was metal, but extremely dull. The blade retracted into the handle with pressure. Springloaded. A little note was tied to the handle.
SIKE!
-Lucy :)
I had gotten dressed and gotten my bearings when a paper was slid under the door. It was the bill for my room and had the drinks from last night listed on them. That bitch had put her drinks on my tab. For the briefest moment, I thought about complaining, but I only smiled. I was happy to be alive.
Below the statement and itemized listing was a handwritten note:
Thank you for staying at the Hotel Non Dormiunt! We hope you enjoyed your stay. As a thank you for your stay we have provided the following name and address. Do with it as you wish. We hope to see you again soon!
An address was listed for an individual named Otis Renfro. He lived somewhere in the southeastern United States. When I Googled his name in my car much later, I found an old HTML style website for “Clowns For Christ”.
As I walked to my car I was hailed by the bellboy. He waved his arms at me and was carrying a small gift bag. He handed it to me. It felt heavier than it appeared. I tried to look into it in front of me, but he swatted my hand.
“Wait,” he mouthed silently.
Was his tongue missing?
Later, I got down the road and looked in the bag. A revolver and a box of bullets that read 357 MAG.
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After the funeral, I headed south. I passed several McDonald’s billboards with Ronald McDonald on them and I didn’t feel a drop of anxiety. I was ready to face my fear, ready for my fear to face me and look at me with pleading eyes and beg for its life.
Only then will my phobia be cured.

~~~[ll]
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2020.03.03 02:29 Quirky-Motor EXTENSIVE summary regarding the disappearance of the DeOrr Kunz missing person case

Five years ago, in July 2015 a two-year-old Idaho boy went missing while on a camping trip. Here is an EXTENSIVE write-up in regards to his disappearance. There is also a TL; DR, a timeline and a run-down of the characters for those who like to skim.
I wanted to do this write up for a few reasons. First, because I couldn’t find a solid timeline for the case online and second, because it seems like most “evidence” in this case is actually catchy headlines and snippets of information taken out of context. It drives me crazy that so many cases can be driven by how loved ones act when a family member goes missing, so I wanted to dive into the case more deeply and share my findings with the world. In reality there is very little hard evidence in this case to point in any one direction.
The characters
DeOrr Kunz Jr.
2 years old. Disappeared on or around July 9th or 10th somewhere in Idaho
Vernal DeOrr Kunz Sr.
DeOrr’s biological father, Jessica Mitchell’s fiancé or boyfriend. Claims he was camping with his son when his son disappeared. Says he trusts Jessica 100%, believes DeOrr was abducted from the campsite. Says he left him with grandpa for 15-20 minutes. In that time, he disappeared. LE and PI Klein believe Vernal is not truthful.
Jessica Mitchell
DeOrr’s biological mother. Claims she was camping with her son when her son disappeared. Says she left him with grandpa for 5 minutes, in that time he disappeared. Says she trusts Vernal and his story. Believes DeOrr wandered away and passed away in the mountains near the campsite. LE, PI Klein, and PI Vilt believe Jessica is not being truthful.
Grandpa Bob Walton
Jessica Mitchell’s grandfather. Bob Walton is old (76), confused, and on oxygen. Jessica and Vernal claim the camping trip was his idea. Bob refuses to speculate on DeOrr’s disappearance… in fact usually laughs when asked about the case. He also claims he doesn’t trust Isaac (wait why did you invite him then, Bob?) and also claims he was never asked to watch DeOrr that weekend. Bob also claims that DeOrr was alive on the trip. He died in 2019.
Isaac Reinwand
Slight developmental disability (possible not confirmed), Grandpa Bob’s former neighbor and fishing buddy. He is the only camper that weekend who law enforcement says hasn’t changed his story. LE has also asked him to not release any additional information to the press. Isaac believes that DeOrr wandered away and passed away some place near the campsite.
Private Investigator Frank Vilt
First PI hired by the family. Retired US Marshall. Does not believe the family is telling the truth. Thinks it is possible the family gave away or sold DeOrr. Resigned from the investigation citing his mistrust of the parents’ stories.
Private Investigator Phillip Klein
Second PI hired by the family, later fired by the family. Has hours’ worth of video interview with the family on YouTube. Believes the family killed DeOrr (intentionally or neglectfully) and is not telling them truth. Klein also makes a variety of accusations against the family to the media and some digging into his background reveals that he does not have the best reputation.
Description of DeOrr
· Sex- Male
· Race White
· Date of Birth 12/30/2012 (now 7)
· Age 2 years old
· Height and Weight 3'0, 28 pounds
· Clothing/Jewelry Description camouflage-print jacket, blue pajama pants, green and black checkered socks, and brown cowboy boots with a lighter brown camouflage print. (These cowboy boots were reportedly 2-3 sizes too big for DeOrr).
· Distinguishing Characteristics Caucasian male. Blond hair, brown eyes. He has a birthmark on the back of his neck.
Background
DeOrr Kunz Jr. was born on December 30th, 2012 to his mother, Jessica Mitchell and his father, her boyfriend, Vernal DeOrr Kunz Sr. Vernal also goes by DeOrr but for clarity, I will be referring to him as Vernal in this write up. Neither Jessica nor Vernal have criminal records. Jessica does however, have two children from a previous marriage that are in the custody of her ex-husband. According to an interview with Jessica on East Idaho News in 2019, this arrangement was voluntary on Jessica’s part and she still saw (and sees) her older children regularly. She clarifies she never gave up her parental rights, nor did she at any time lose custody of the children. Her ex-husband was simply the children’s primary guardian. According to Jessica’s family in their interview with East Idaho News 2019, the custody agreement was made so that the older children could have a more financially stable life. In the media DeOrr’s family often referred (and refer) to DeOrr as “little DeOrr” or “little man.” Bob Walton usually calls him “the kid” or “that kid.”
Idaho Falls and the trip
For the first 6 months of 2015, Jessica had been working as a care taker for her elderly grandfather, Bob Walton. Bob Walton, aged 76, was in poor health and on oxygen at this time (Little Man Lost documentary, episode 2). According to Vernal, the family decided to go on a camping trip on Thursday July 9th, 2015 after Vernal got off of work around 5pm (Newsline Special). Sometime in the evening around 6pm, the family piled into their truck, picked up Grandpa Bob Walton in his SUV which was hauling a trailer, and then picked up Grandpa’s friend and former neighbor, Isaac Reinwand, who Jessica and Vernal had never met (Jessica’s interview with the PI Phillip Klein, December 2015). Isaac appears to be aged in his 30s. According to an interview with East Idaho News, Isaac met Bob five years earlier when Bob hired Isaac to do some yard work. Isaac appears to have some developmental disabilities, most apparent slow processing speed. Many people have raised questions about this friendship. We will get more into detail regarding that later.
The group drove in the two vehicles for 116 miles north to Leadore, Idaho. Then they drove an additional 10 miles west to Timber Creek campground. This campground is accessible only by a rocky dirt road and the additional 8-9 miles takes usually 45-60 minutes to navigate to the campground, at night. The family said they pulled into the campground at around “dark” (Isaac’s 2016 interview with East Idaho News). Sunset in Leadore on that day is 9:20pm, so many sources have guessed that the time the family pulled in was at about 9:30pm. (NOTE as the sunset is the only definitive time we have, the time the family left Idaho Falls is based on the time that arrived at the campsite.)
The Drive
Along the way the family claims to have stopped for diesel, stopped at the Silver Dollar restaurant in Leadore (it was closed), and finally stopped at the convenience store to pick up some groceries (Newsline 2016 interview with Jessica). It is important to note that no one outside the family saw DeOrr at any of these places. None of the workers at these stores remember seeing DeOrr (Newsline 2016 interview with Jessica) and no video cameras were available at any of the places the family went to that day (East Idaho News interview with Lemhi Sherriff Lynn Bowerman August, 2015). After stocking up the family made the 8-mile trek to the campground arriving around “dark” and went to bed with Jessica, Vernal, and DeOrr sleeping in Grandpa Walton’s truck, Isaac sleeping in a tent, and grandpa Walton sleeping in the camper. (Isaac’s 2016 interview with East Idaho News).
July 10th- the morning
According to the family, around 10:30am-11am after the family had had breakfast, Jessica started her period and asked Vernal to return to town to pick up some supplies including feminine products and groceries at the convenience store, Stage Stop Junction (Jessica’s interview with the PI Phillip Klein, November, 2015). Vernal, Jessica, and presumably little DeOrr left and went to town. According to Vernal, this trip downhill took about 20 minutes. (We will get back to that statement in the “other things” section below) Once in town they stopped at the Stage Stop where Vernal asked the worker if they sold diesel (Newsline Special). When the clerk said no, then they went to the diesel pump two doors down but there was no diesel there, and then finally to Peterson welding to finally get fuel for the truck (Jessica’s interview with the PI Phillip Klein, November, 2015). At this point they returned to the convenience store to get snacks and feminine products before heading back to the campground (Little Man Lost documentary episode 4). In one of private investigator’s Klein’s interview with Jessica, she explains that they went to the Stage Stop to get DeOrr Jr. some fries.
In this same interview, Jessica claims that this older man was sitting at the table in the store and was staring incessantly at her son. There is a receipt that confirms that they were at the store and purchased things around this time (East Idaho News interview with Lemhi Sherriff Lynn Bowerman August, 2015). It is also important to note that no one on July 10th in Leadore can remember seeing DeOrr that day (Newsline 2016 interview with Jessica), despite the receipts that prove that Jessica and Vernal made purchases in town that day (East Idaho News interview with Lemhi Sherriff Lynn Bowerman August, 2015). At 12:38pm Jessica sends a text to her mom saying that they are leaving Leadore to return to the campground (Interview with Jessica’s mother Trina Clegg c. 2015). If we assume as Vernal claims that the trip took only 20 minutes in the day time, the family was in the town of Leadore from about 11:00am (at the earliest), or 11:40am (at the latest) to 12:38pm.
Later Jessica worked with the Sherriff’s office to make a composite sketch of the man. More info on that in the “other things” section.
July 10th- After returning to the campsite
Once the family returned to the campsite around 1:00 pm or 1:10 pm, the timeline gets a little shakier…The adults decide to go fishing with Isaac in the creek that is only 50 feet away from the campsite, down a little hill. While you can hear the creek from the campsite, you cannot see it from the area that they were camped in (PI Klein interview with Little Man Lost Documentary). Isaac claims to see DeOrr around this time in between 1:10 pm-1:30 pm at the campsite (Isaac’s 2016 interview with East Idaho News). According to Vernal it was nearing DeOrr’s nap time. At about 1:30 pm, the adults minus grandpa Bob, leave to go fishing and leave DeOrr with his great-grandpa (Vernal and Jessica’s early interview July 13th, 2015 with East Idaho News). There are several stories being told at this point so I will try to summarize what happens next.
In some interviews the family says DeOrr should have been napping, it is unclear why no one put DeOrr to bed before the fishing trek (Vernal and Jessica’s early interview July 13th, 2015 with East Idaho News). According to Jessica, her Grandpa said that DeOrr was playing in the dirt or playing in with his shoe under a tree. Jessica herself says DeOrr was under the tree eating candy. She also claims that little DeOrr said that he wanted to stay with Grandpa and eat candy, not come with her and Vernal to the creek. (Jessica’s interview with the PI Phillip Klein, December 2015).
This is an important point as Bob Walton says he doesn’t remember being asked to watch DeOrr…he clarifies by saying it could have happened and he either forgot, or didn’t hear (Bob Walton interview with Phillip Klein, Dec. 2015). Bob claims DeOrr was alive and playing in the campsite at this time, when his parents were prepping to go fishing (Bob Walton’s interview with the PI Phillip Klein, December 2015).
With that Isaac, Vernal, and Jessica leave the area to go fishing in the creek. Jessica says she looked back at the camp to make sure DeOrr wasn’t following them (Newsline interview with private investigator Peter Vilt). Once at the creek, Isaac and the couple spread out over an area of about 150 feet with Isaac being upstream and the couple being farther downstream (Sheriff Bowerman, during a radio interview July, 2015). Somewhere in between 2:00 pm and 2:20 pm the family realizes DeOrr is missing when the parents return to camp and realize DeOrr is not with Grandpa Bob Walton. Bob claims he looked away and when he looked back little DeOrr was gone. He assumed DeOrr had gone to the creek to find his parents (Bob Walton interview with Phillip Klein, Dec. 2015).
Jessica says they were fishing for only 5 minutes; while Vernal says it was 15-20 minutes later when they returned to the camp (Vernal and Jessica’s early interview July 13th, 2015 with East Idaho News).
Jessica and Vernal searched the campsite and creek for about 20 minutes before calling 911. At 2:26 pm (or 2:28 according to some sources) Jessica called 911 and was on the phone with dispatch for about 4 minutes. You can listen to the audio here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mKjcbSS2vw. Meanwhile Vernal gets in his truck, drives ½ mile down the road to get cell service and places his own call to 911 at 2:22 pm. On the 911 call Vernal says that DeOrr has been missing “about an hour” (Vernal and Jessica’s early interview July 13th, 2015 with East Idaho News). Around this time Isaac returns to the campsite and Grandpa Bob Walton informs him that little DeOrr is missing (Isaac’s 2016 interview with East Idaho News). Search and rescue teams arrive at the campsite around 3:45 or 4:00 pm (Vernal and Jessica’s early interview July 13th, 2015 with East Idaho News).
Around this time after searchers had arrived, Jessica claims to see Isaac carrying a muddy shovel. She also claims that the shovel had blond hair on the tip of it, but when Jessica tries to collect the hair, the wind blows it away. This story about the shovel is only mentioned by Jessica once in a more recent interview. It is not a fact or verified in any way shape or form (Jessica’s interview with the PI Phillip Klein, November, 2015).
Soon the small camp was crawling with volunteers who were looking for the boy and law enforcement was already beginning interview all four adults who were camping that weekend. By July 12th over two hundred people were at the campsite searching for DeOrr on foot, horseback, ATV, and helicopter. Later, drones and dogs were brought in to look for the little boy. No trace of him has even been found, not a shoe, a scrap of clothing or any of DeOrr’s things (Newsline Special).
Aftermath
The FBI and local authorities have worked together on this case for the last 5 years. Many interviews have been conducted with both parents, Bob Walton, and Isaac Reinwald. I detail some of the information from those interviews below. In January 2016, the law enforcement, named both of DeOrr’s parents as suspects in their investigation. LE claims that both Jessica and Vernal failed lie detector tests repeatedly and that both of their stories have changed and morphed over time (Interview with former Sherriff Lynn Bowerman with East Idaho News, 2016). Jessica’s story has differed on four or five occasions. Bob Walton’s story has also changed and LE believes he knows more about the disappearance than he is saying, although they concede Bob often seems confused or forgetful (Interview with former Sherriff Lynn Bowerman with East Idaho News, 2016). The only person who law enforcement (both the county Sherriff and the FBI) believes is telling the truth, in part due to his consistent stories over the last five years, is Isaac Reinwand (Interview with former Sherriff Lynn Bowerman with East Idaho News, 2016).
Cadaver and tracking dogs have been brought to the site of the disappearance at different times but the dogs findings have either been dead ends, or have been found to be related to some cremains which had been spread in the area by a local woman (Rueters.com 2015 article about the case).
The family has also hired two private investigators over the years, both of whom have quit citing inconsistent stories from the family of DeOrr (Little man lost documentary, episode 5). Both men continue to work the case on their own (more info on that below).
Time Line
July 9th
5pm-Vernal gets off work
~6pm- family packs truck and leaves for their camping trip
~6pm-ish family picks up Bob Walton (Jessica’s grandpa) and his friend Isaac
Somewhere between 6pm-8:30pm Vernal stops for diesel (no one sees DeOrr)
Around 8:30pm caravan arrives at Leadore, tries to dine at the restaurant but it’s closed (No one sees DeOrr)
Around 8:30pm family gets snacks at the convenience store instead (no one sees DeOrr)
Around dark (9:30pm approx.) family arrives at the campground and goes to bed.
July 10th
~10:30am-11:00am Jessica asks Vernal to go to the store to pick up feminine products
~ 11:00am-11:40am Vernal, Jessica, and presumably DeOrr arrive in Leadore. (no one sees DeOrr)
~ Arrival time until 12:30 Vernal, Jessica, and presumably DeOrr shop around in Leadore (no one sees DeOrr)
~12:30pm receipt shows Vernal and Jessica purchase things at the convenience store (no one sees DeOrr)
12:38pm Jessica texts her mother to say that they are leaving the store in Leadore
1:00-1:10pm arrival at campsite
(1:30pm DeOrr’s usual nap time)
1:30pm- 2:00pm Jessica, Isaac, and Vernal leave to go fishing at the creek
~2:00pm-2:10pm Vernal and Jessica realize DeOrr is missing
2:22pm Vernal’s 911 call according to private investigator Phillip Klein
2:26pm Jessica’s 911 call according to private investigator Phillip Klein
2:28pm Jessica’s 911 call according to Lemhi County Sherriff’s office
3:45-4:00pm Search and Rescue arrive at the scene
July 10th -12th
Search crews search for DeOrr on foot and with helicopters, dogs, horses, ATVs, and drones
September 15th, 2015
Frank Vilt tells the press he is trying to locate the “creep in the jeep” more information below.
September 25th 2015
Frank Vilt private investigator resigns from the investigation citing the family being less than truthful.
January 25th 2016
Parents named as suspects by Lemhi County Sheriff's office
March 1st 2016
Klein claims Jessica told him “I know where the body is” Lemhi county sheriff’s office does not think this is a credible lead.
July 15th, 2016
DeOrr’s “missing jacket” found at DeOrr’s home. A jacket like the one DeOrr was apparently wearing the day of his disappearance is found in Jessica and Vernal’s apartment.
November 13th, 2017
Phillip Klein private investigator is fired by the Kunz family from the investigation
Interviews ~Weird statement and tidbits from various interviews
In the Klein interview, Bob Walton says two interesting things about Isaac. He claims that Isaac is only his friend because “if you get too old you want someone to be there in case you keel over.” He goes on to say, he doesn’t trust Isaac to stay in his house, not steal his money, or to watch kids. When asked at this point why he’s friends with Isaac, Bob simply laughs.
Bob laughs in response to many questions during his interview and it is a little odd. He also says things like “that’s what I hear” or “I guess so” in response to most questions.
Vernal in the same interview mentioned above says he “trusts Jessica 100%” but also says “that mother****er killed my son” (Talking about Bob Walton). He seems to imply that Bob wasn’t actually watching DeOrr like he should have been.
In their first interview, Jessica and Vernal are together being interviewed by the press. Vernal repeatedly interrupts or cuts Jessica off in a really odd way, like he doesn’t want her to talk.
Vernal also spends most of the interview kissing up to investigators and searchers, praising them for all the hard work they do every day. He spends approximately 7 out 14 minutes in the interview talking about this and the various search techniques he saw in the search helicopter.
At the very end of the first interview Jessica claims that a worker at the Stage Stop told her that on July 10th around 6pm, she saw an unkempt man at the store buying candy for a toddler he was with. The toddler, who was blond just like DeOrr was apparently bawling and crying. This man was driving a black Jeep Rubicon creating the story of “the creep in the Jeep” (Vernal and Jessica’s early interview July 13th, 2015 with East Idaho News). This story has never been verified.
In September 2015, PI Vilt talks about trying to track down this “creep in the Jeep” and making a composite sketch, but nothing ever came of it. This lead was looked into as another family reported a man in a Jeep and matching the above description staring at their toddler son while they were hiking in Swan Valley, Idaho, near Idaho Falls. They reported the incident to the police who connected it to DeOrr’s case (KVTB.com). Vilt resigned from the investigation only a few weeks later.
PI Vilt explains to Newsline in 2016 that he believes it is possible Jessica gave up DeOrr for adoption sometime during the trip, either with or without Vernal’s knowledge. While this seems like a far-fetched idea, Vilt is a retired US Marshal officer and LA county deputy so he does have professional experience in missing persons cases.
In Jessica’s most recent interviews, she paints Isaac as a total creep who was rude to her and the family, making snarky comments about Baby DeOrr, such as “why would you take a baby camping?” (KTVB Special report, 2019). However, in her 2015/2016 interviews she describes Isaac as a quiet guy who never spoke to her or Vernal on the trip. At some point she also brings up the story of Isaac with the shovel and the hair. In one 2019 interview she even claims that Isaac was drinking the whole time and not looking for DeOrr. If this is true, it isn’t information I can find anywhere else (KTVB Special report, 2019).
In Isaac’s interviews with the press he seems sometimes confused and takes a while to answer, but the core parts of his story have stayed the same. Since 2016 Isaac says the authorities (FBI and Bonneville Sheriff's department) have asked him to not release any additional information, although he gives short interviews occasionally. The two things Isaac is adamant about: 1) he doesn’t know where DeOrr is at/ doesn’t know what happened and 2) He is positive that DeOrr was at the campsite on both July 9th and July 10th.
Now this isn’t any hard evidence, but if you watch early interview with all four adults, Isaac Reinwand comes across as the most believable of the group. This has been talked about extensively on Reddit… and it is odd to feel like the person telling the truth is the odd ball friend of grandpa, and not DeOrr’s three family members.
Isaac claims that DeOrr was alive both on the days of the camping trip but when pressed he fails to provide details on what DeOrr was doing. He claims on July 9th he saw DeOrr in the child’s seat and then later saw DeOrr throwing things into the fire. Besides this no detail is given.
Other clarifying things
This campsite is remote. This is not a campsite with bathrooms, showers, trails, hook ups, parking lots, park rangers etc. This is a campsite that does not even have garbage service. It is only open a few months per year weather permitting. The road to the campsite from Leadore, a town of fewer than 100 residents, is 8 miles of dirt and rocks which is only passable in the summer months. There is one portable toilet, and two spigots for potable water which have water in the summer months. There is no parking lot, no ranger or ranger station, no paths or trails, and no amenities. It is practically a few fire pits and picnic tables in the wilderness. No other campers were in the area when the DeOrr and his companions were camping.
According to different websites the drive time between Idaho Falls and Leadore takes in between 1 hour 45 minutes to 2 hours 30 minutes. Then remember there is additional drive time to the campsite, about 1 hour, so total drive time is 2 hours 30 minutes to 3 hours 30 minutes.
According to some local people on online forums like Web-sleuths, the drive from Leadore to Timber Creek Campground can take 20 minutes downhill if you have a good truck with high clearance in the summer months, but can also take as much as an hour when going uphill in the dark, especially if the weather is poor.
Keep in mind this area itself is also very remote. The nearest medical attention seems to be 47 miles away from Leadore (even farther from the campground) in Salmon, Idaho. The entire Lemhi county has population of under 8000.
According to Lemhi county sheriff’s office, the man seen staring at DeOrr was later identified and cleared. So much time had passed between DeOrr going missing this man being located, he was unsure if he saw the family that day, let alone little DeOrr (East Idaho News interview with Steve Penner, Lemhi County Sheriff).
After they were named suspects in their son’s disappearance Jessica and Vernal broke up. He took a job as a truck driver out of state and Jessica married someone new within the year. They have never been charged with their son’s disappearance (Little man lost documentary, episode 4). Jessica’s mom was so shocked by the wedding that she didn’t even attend the ceremony. However, she believes that her daughter is innocent in DeOrr’s disappearance (Newsline Special interview with Trina Clegg, 2019).
Grandpa Bob Walton died of cancer at age 80 in 2019 (East Idaho News obituary, June 2019).
If you watch the Missing 411 documentary on this case it is mentioned that Isaac Reinwald has a criminal past. According to KSL.com Isaac has one 2006 charge for domestic battery, a misdemeanor. This information is only available at KSL.com (a NBC affiliate out of Salt Lake City, Utah.) Isaac is not a child molester, convicted sex offender, or felon like some online forums or discussions suggest. Obviously, domestic battery is not okay but I just wanted everyone to know that it’s not like some criminal mastermind was out in the wilderness with DeOrr Jr. that weekend.
Law Enforcement believes that DeOrr was alive for at least part of the camping trip. They believe Isaac’s testimony is credible (East Idaho News’ interview with Sheriff Lynn Bowerman, January 2016). They do not believe DeOrr went missing before the trip ever took place but claim they are looking at all the possibilities (East Idaho News interview with Steve Penner, Lemhi County Sheriff).
According to both Bob and Isaac the camping trip was planned about a week in advance. It was not spontaneous (Isaac’s 2016 interview with East Idaho News).
PI Vilt, PI Klein, and Lemhi Co. Sherriff’s office all agree the most consistent story of the camping trip comes from Isaac Reinwand, Grandpa Bob Walton’s friend (East Idaho News’ interview with Sheriff Lynn Bowerman, January 2016).
They also say that despite this, Isaac lawyered up early in the investigation. Sheriff Bowerman also says that all four adults have given numerous interviews and have taken several polygraphs each. No one has been overly uncooperative (East Idaho News’ interview with Sheriff Lynn Bowerman, January 2016).
The lead investigator on DeOrr’s case, now sheriff Steve Penner, organizes searches for DeOrr every year. He tells Newsline in a 2016 interview that in remote areas of Idaho he has done many searches for people which come up empty handed, only for the bodies to be found several years later in a same small search area. It is easy to get lost in the Idaho wilderness.
In 2016 PI Klein claimed to have found the clothes DeOrr was wearing at the time he went missing. This was a camo print jacket similar to the one DeOrr was described as wearing when he disappeared. He also claimed Jessica told him that she knows where DeOrr is. Jessica disputes this and the Lemhi Co. Sherriff’s office doesn’t take the lead seriously as there is no proof Jessica ever said that. It is not in Klein’s 10-hour long interrogation of Jessica so it’s unclear when she said this to him.
Both parents have revealed that the sheriff’s department has offered them plea deals to reveal the body and testify against the other. Obviously, neither have taken the plea deal (KTVB Special report, 2019).
PI Klein currently has several lawsuits filed against him and his firm for planting false evidence and in general being a fraud. He likes the spotlight, but a tiny bit of digging into his background paints of picture of a scummy guy. The only reason he is used in this write up is the fact that there are 10 hours’ worth of videotaped interviews on YouTube. These interviews have been helpful as they really get into detail with all four people who were at the campground.
PI Vilt on the other hand is a retired LA county Sherif’s deputy and retired US Marshal service fugitive hunter (yes, that was his job). He has helped find 13 missing people in his time as a PI and seems generally credible and professional.
Here are some of questions that I have thought about in this case.
Why would anyone leave for a camping trip late in the evening, only to travel 3 hours and hundreds of miles into the middle of nowhere with a guy you had never met, a grandpa on oxygen, and a toddler?
Why did the family even go on the camping trip? Some sources say the trip was Bob’s idea he wanted to go camping in Leadore as he had camped there as a child. In Vernal’s interview with Klein, Vernal says that the trip was a celebration as Jessica had been able to hold down a job for 6 months (remember her job was taking care of her own grandfather).
Did grandpa even want to go on the trip? Or did they bring him because they had to?
Why not camp someplace closer if grandpa really did want to go camping/fishing, especially since Jessica was on her period and they had a toddler with them?
Why was Isaac invited last minute? (Jessica and Vernal claimed they didn’t know he was coming until grandpa said they needed to stop and pick him up the evening of July 9th)
Why was Grandpa friends with a cognitively disabled guy 40 years his junior?
Why would you leave for a camping trip and forget feminine hygiene products and groceries? And if you did, why did you not stop to get these items before going to the campground to pick these things up? We know they stopped at the Stage Stop on the evening of July 9th.
Why did they suddenly leave the campground in the morning to get diesel? Maybe this was just a code word for pads and tampons but either way it’s weird.
Why does no one in the entirety of the trip remember seeing DeOrr Jr? There are only 80 people in Leadore so it’s not like DeOrr would be one face among hundreds.
Why if it was DeOrr’s nap time like Vernal claimed, would Jessica and Vernal leave the campground to go fishing?
Did they take fishing poles to the creek? Both of them or just one of them? (that fact changes from interview to interview)
Did they eat breakfast? who made it? What did they have? (These answers change from interview to interview)
If they thought Isaac was so weird why did they ask him to show them the fishing holes so they could fish with him?
Why did they fish for only 5 minutes before returning to camp? Did they expect something bad to happen?
Why were they fishing in a very small creek which reportedly has no fish (Little man lost documentary’s interview with PI Klein and Sheriff Penner)?
Why did they leave a 2-year-old with an old man on oxygen in the middle of the wilderness?
Why did they return from the creek? Was it to put DeOrr to bed, to check on DeOrr, to show DeOrr the fish in the creek? (this changes from interview to interview)
How long was DeOrr missing when the 911 calls were made? Was it “an hour” like Jessica claimed at first? Or was it 20 minutes like she claimed later?
Was Isaac brought on the trip as a scapegoat?
Was Isaac brought to watch grandpa so Jessica and Vernal didn’t have to?
Was the camping trip really even Grandpa’s idea? He wasn’t well enough to get around, let alone fish so it’s always seemed odd to me.
Was DeOrr ever alive on July 10th, 2015?
Was DeOrr ever even at the campground at all? If not, what reason does Isaac have to lie? Is Isaac lying? Is Isaac simply confused? Did he see DeOrr once or twice and fill in the blanks? Is Isaac lying because he is scared?
Is grandpa lying? Did grandpa forget to watch DeOrr? Did he fall asleep on the job so to speak?
Did Klein find the missing jacket, or did DeOrr simply have several camouflage jackets?
If Jessica and Vernal are responsible, why have neither of them taken a plea deal?
If DeOrr was alive why did no one see him in Leadore?
Theories
Here are all of the theories I have heard of for this case
Accidental/neglectful death at the campsite, lost and died in the wilderness, animal attack, intentional homicide, abduction, given away for adoption (or sold) in Leadore, foul play or accidental/neglectful death before the camping trip, and there are probably plenty more.
Red Herrings (in my opinion)
Jacket- This proves nothing, kids have multiple jackets
Jessica knows where the body is- unverified; LE doesn’t seem to care
Jessica and Vernal acting weird during interviews- Sure they act weird, but how are you supposed to act when your child is missing?
Shovel story- unverified
Isaac’s criminal past- seems unrelated
My conclusions
When I started researching this case, I truly believed the parents killed DeOrr on or before the trip, now I am not so sure. Isaac’s consistent story makes me think that DeOrr was probably at the campsite at some point for Isaac to have those memories. I think he at the least saw DeOrr on July the 9th. I am not so certain that DeOrr was alive or around the campsite after the family returned from the store on July 10th, but of course I can’t know for sure. This is mostly due to the bizarre timeline for the whole trip. I think a neglectful or accidental death (hit him too hard, smothered him on accident, hit him with the truck, didn’t watch him and he drowned) of DeOrr on the morning of July 10th seems to make the most sense for the timeline and the bizarre trip into town. I think the other most likely scenario is that DeOrr wandered off and succumbed to the elements or a predator because no one was watching him closely. What do you think happened to little DeOrr?
Special thanks to:
East Idaho News out of Idaho Falls, Idaho.
KTVB out of Boise, Idaho.
Reuters.com article about DeOrr
Little Man lost documentary
Missing 411 documentary
Newsline Special
Klein Investigations' Interviews
Charley Project (for DeOrr’s description)
This Web-sleuths thread https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/id-deorr-kunz-jr-2-timber-creek-campground-10-july-2015-31.369831/page-27
Helpful link for maps and pictures
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07/one-year-later-deorr-kunz-mystery/
TL; DR
DeOrr Kunz was a toddler who went missing while on a weird camping in the middle of nowhere, Idaho with his parents, his great grandpa who was on oxygen, and his great grandpa’s friend who was 40 years grandpa’s junior, who the family had also never met. The family’s timeline is bizarre and little DeOrr goes missing and it raises a lot of questions. Where is little DeOrr Kunz?
*edited a sentence in the questions section for clarity
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